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Old 10-08-2007, 10:46 AM
 
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So... homelessness, no healthcare, malnutrition, etc. are a good, just punishment for a (very possibly environmentally induced) "lack of drive and determination?"
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:52 AM
 
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So... homelessness, no healthcare, malnutrition, etc. are a good, just punishment for "lack of drive and determination?"
Do not put words in my mouth. You are changing your own view rather than responding to the counterpoint. The typical move the goal post technique. My post centered on causes. I said nothing about punishment.

And homelessness is a completely different thing worthy of its own thread. Stay on topic please.
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Old 10-08-2007, 10:58 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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That list exemplifies what I am talking about. Crime, less motivation, etc are examples of bad culture. Bad culture means no accountability, no personal responsibility. Schools are bad because the students don't care and do not strive and their parents, if they have any, do not motivate them. Culture again. Its certainly not a lack of money.

You're not offering any solutions. Blame, blame, blame, with no practical plan.

You don't acknowledge that the fact of poverty breaks down families.

Lack of hope, for instance due to racism, breaks down families and threatens culture.

If large groups of people are continually making poor decisions, then they need to be taught to make better decisions. Schools can help, but other public resources can, too.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:05 AM
 
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You're not offering any solutions. Blame, blame, blame, with no practical plan.
I implied that government cannot change culture and will only make the situation worse. Keeping the state out beyond a reasonable social security net is certainly part of the solution.

Otherwise, its obvious. Indeed, ridiculously obvious:

1) Prudent Family Planning: Do not have kids out of wedlock. Children are huge responsibilities. Do not do it. And even when married, do not have more than you can support. This is a no brainer. If you cannot afford them, do not have them.

2) Education: A strong back does not cut it anymore. Everyone will need a reasonable if not impressive level of education. This starts in Kindergarten if not before. Parents need to motive their kids, get involved with the schools and prepare and save something for ever higher levels.


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You don't acknowledge that the fact of poverty breaks down families.
Because its broken families that cause poverty.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:10 AM
 
Location: OKC, OK
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You're not offering any solutions. Blame, blame, blame, with no practical plan.

You don't acknowledge that the fact of poverty breaks down families.

Lack of hope, for instance due to racism, breaks down families and threatens culture.

If large groups of people are continually making poor decisions, then they need to be taught to make better decisions. Schools can help, but other public resources can, too.
The race card is WAY overplayed........it's become an excuse rather than a cause.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I implied that government cannot change culture and will only make the situation worse.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:11 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I implied that government cannot change culture and will only make the situation worse. Keeping the state out beyond a reasonable social security net is certainly part of the solution.

Otherwise, its obvious. Indeed, ridiculously obvious:

1) Prudent Family Planning: Do not have kids out of wedlock. Children are huge responsibilities. Do not do it. And even when married, do not have more than you can support. This is a no brainer. If you cannot afford them, do not have them.

2) Education: A strong back does not cut it anymore. Everyone will need a reasonable if not impressive level of education. This starts in Kindergarten if not before. Parents need to motive their kids, get involved with the schools and prepare and save something for ever higher levels.

Because its broken families that cause poverty.


More platitudes, not solutions. No insight as the to causes of the problems. No engagement with those who come from a different background than yourself. Useless.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:13 AM
 
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More platitudes, not solutions. No insight as the to causes of the problems. Useless.
No insight? I have to explain to you how babies are made? I need to explain the devastating consequences of an adult who payed no attention in school and dropped out? I have to elaborate on the parenting skills of a 16 year old?

Be serious please.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:14 AM
 
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Why, why, why?

A detailed and mature reponse, please.
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Old 10-08-2007, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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No insight? I have to explain to you how babies are made? I need to explain the devastating consequences of an adult who payed no attention in school and dropped out? I have to elaborate on the parenting skills of a 16 year old?

Be serious please.

Babies are the crux of the problem for you? Please, move along and get back to thumping your Bible. You are wasting the board's time. You have absolutely nothing practical to add to a discussion of addressing actual poverty in the U.S.
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