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I think this country needs to look at the more successful countries and figure out what is it that they are doing as opposed to what we are. Let's look at a country like finland where they de-emphasize test taking and work harder to actually TEACH students instead of just making sure they pass a stupid test. Also in a country like finland Teachers are not villified like they are out here instead they are considered higher up than bankers. Not to mention most of the schools are larger enough to fit students in comfortably and not like out here where it's more like a farm and they just pack the classrooms in.
Also before any of us blame the teachers of the teachers unions let's put some of the blame on the parents who do nothing but dump the kids in front of the tv/xbox/ps3 all day.
Teachers should teach and parents should parent but there is something out there we can't do anything about and that's the low IQ dumb kid who can't control anything he does.
It used to be, prior to 1959, AAMD set the IQ threshold for mental retardation at < 85. The civil rights movement of the next decade forced psychologists to rethink this boundary, because half the African American population fell below it. In 1973, responding to this concern, AAMD (by then AAMR) changed the threshold for retardation from IQ < 85 to IQ < 70. The boundary moved south by one standard deviation! The proportion of blacks below the threshold instantly dropped from about 50 percent to 12 percent. Subsequent refinements made it still more difficult to meet the criteria for retardation.
Here's the problem
Hello?
So with NCLB what we have done is dumbed down the curriculum to insure any idiot would pass because we sure wouldn't want to hurt his self esteem, would we?
It doesn't matter with the parenting or how much money you throw at the problem the outcomes will always be the same. To prove it was the money a Federal judge ordered millions be spent on the Kansas City School system and all we got for the hundreds of millions spent is just more of the same same.
Kansas City spent as much as $11,700 per pupil--more money per pupil, on a cost of living adjusted basis, than any other of the 280 largest districts in the country. The money bought higher teachers' salaries, 15 new schools, and such amenities as an Olympic-sized swimming pool with an underwater viewing room, television and animation studios, a robotics lab, a 25-acre wildlife sanctuary, a zoo, a model United Nations with simultaneous translation capability, and field trips to Mexico and Senegal. The student-teacher ratio was 12 or 13 to 1, the lowest of any major school district in the country.
The results were dismal. Test scores did not rise; the black-white gap did not diminish; and there was less, not greater, integration.
To put it into perspective adjusted for inflation $11,700 in 1990 would be equivalent to $19,879 today.
Imagine, spending $19,879 per student today and not having any increase in scores and this wasn't even a boarding school.
The outrageous truth is you could spend $20 million per year on a 85 IQ retard and he will never be college material much less Harvard material. But somehow to state the fact has become... well... hateful and racist. But it is a fact.
Thats survival of the fittest. Parents that care have a better chance of successful children already. No amount of throwing money at a failing system fixes poor parents.
Well, see, as a teacher, I'm not willing to throw perfectly good children under a bus. Guess that's the difference between me, a liberal, and you a...???...not sure what label to pin on someone who doesn't give a sh*t about anyone but himself and those who belong to him.
Well, see, as a teacher, I'm not willing to throw perfectly good children under a bus. Guess that's the difference between me, a liberal, and you a...???...not sure what label to pin on someone who doesn't give a sh*t about anyone but himself and those who belong to him.
You didn't, their parents did.
You can't teach every student, as a teacher. You can only worry about the kids in your class.
The problem with "no child left behind", is that it punishes students who do well, and usually have good parents. The problem with throwing good money after bad, is that schools in parts of the country where they are performing poorly get a lot of money thrown at them and they don't get results. Then a small school in the country, with good results, doesn't get that extra money.
Money doesn't fix education when it comes from the government. Give it to the parents, and they will spend it much more wisely then the "government"
You can't teach every student, as a teacher. You can only worry about the kids in your class.
The problem with "no child left behind", is that it punishes students who do well, and usually have good parents. The problem with throwing good money after bad, is that schools in parts of the country where they are performing poorly get a lot of money thrown at them and they don't get results. Then a small school in the country, with good results, doesn't get that extra money.
Money doesn't fix education when it comes from the government. Give it to the parents, and they will spend it much more wisely then the "government"
And what happens to the children of uninformed, uncaring, unable to function parents?? We don't make them go to school? We don't try to prepare them for a better than their parents'? We don't try to prepare them to be better parents than those to whom they were born?
Sorry, but to a good teacher, what you suggest is unacceptable.
And what happens to the children of uninformed, uncaring, unable to function parents?? We don't make them go to school? We don't try to prepare them for a better than their parents'? We don't try to prepare them to be better parents than those to whom they were born?
Sorry, but to a good teacher, what you suggest is unacceptable.
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SAT scores: In S. Florida, all of the school districts (Miami-Dade, Broward, Palm Beach, Monroe) encourage all students to take the SAT. The State of Florida has contracted with the College Board and mandates - yes, mandates! - that all public school 10th grade students take the PSAT. Most inner city school students (a large percentage of S. FL high schools) have no business taking a college readiness assessment test as seniors, much less as sophomores. I
While I agree that not all kids should go to college, the reason that all should take the PSAT is that scores for the PSAT taken as a sophomore are the scores that qualify kids for National Merit Scholarships. I wish Illinois had required it. Illinois students are required to take the ACT as part of the Prairie State Exams, but the PSAT and ACT are two very different tests. I'm guessing that FL requires the PSAT because otherwise, just like my son, they might miss out on what could potentially be scholarship dollars... ??
Finland has elevated the status of teachers, with commeasurate pay, to the point where there is serious competition for the well-paying teaching positions, resulting in better teachers and a well-educated student body.
Finland's students rank at or near the top of the charts.
In this country, we demonize the teachers, complain about their unions, and make them a whipping post when the parents are too lazy to contribute anything to the education process.
Any wonder the US education system is a mess/
Spoken like a true partisan Democrat.....
All the spending in the world won't fix education in this country.... loom at the gosh awful city schools of NYC, Chicago, DC and many many others
Education starts at the home, have to have parents who care and a stable home (usually with 2 parents by the way) is crucial to success..... not by making the classroms of schools overpaid lavish daycare centers...... idiot
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And what happens to the children of uninformed, uncaring, unable to function parents?? We don't make them go to school? We don't try to prepare them for a better than their parents'? We don't try to prepare them to be better parents than those to whom they were born?
Sorry, but to a good teacher, what you suggest is unacceptable.
Like I said, throwing money at a bad parent problem, has never once shown any success.
I disagree with the notion that providing money to schools won't improve their situation, have you seen an inner city school? Some of then look like they haven't been maintained in years. I went to a middle school that was literally falling apart.
I disagree with the notion that providing money to schools won't improve their situation, have you seen an inner city school? Some of then look like they haven't been maintained in years. I went to a middle school that was literally falling apart.
That's from misallocation or theft of funds and doesn't warrant a reward of more.
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