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Old 08-27-2012, 11:52 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Audio: Obama Says "That Fetus or Child" Was "Just Not Coming Out Limp and Dead" | The Weekly Standard

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"As I understand it, this puts the burden on the attending physician who has determined, since they were performing this procedure, that, in fact, this is a nonviable fetus; that if that fetus, or child - however way you want to describe it - is now outside the mother's womb and the doctor continues to think that its nonviable but there's, lets say, movement or some indication that, in fact, they're not just out limp and dead, they would then have to call a second physician to monitor and check off and make sure that this is not a live child that could be saved."
That's right - then state Senator Obama, in debate over a bill that would protect survivors of late term abortions - hinted that a living baby outside the womb might still be considered a fetus - and voted against the bill that would require another physician to verify that the infant is indeed alive.

Barack Obama essentially approved infanticide.

People, this is not rocket science. If birth is induced and the infant is outside the womb and is moving around(demonstrating signs of life) then the baby is alive - and Mr. Obama said that he trusts the doctor who had just tried to destroy that life to ensure that this new American citizen receives the neccesary medical care to ensure his/her survival.

The president didn't even know if it was a fetus, or a child. Huh??? Mr. President - we can have disagreements about what the life is inside the womb - but there should be absolutely no conflict over what we are discussing when the life is outside the womb.

Mr. President - that is what one calls a human infant - and it is now a citizen deserving of protection - and you Mr. President voted to open up the potential of that baby being killed.

Why is the MSM ignoring this?

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Old 08-28-2012, 12:11 AM
 
Location: California
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Probably because this happened in 2002 and has already been hashed over. A lot has happened in the last 10 years that's a little more important to report on.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:15 AM
 
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Audio: Obama Says "That Fetus or Child" Was "Just Not Coming Out Limp and Dead" | The Weekly Standard



That's right - then state Senator Obama, in debate over a bill that would protect survivors of late term abortions - hinted that a living baby outside the womb might still be considered a fetus - and voted against the bill that would require another physician to verify that the infant is indeed alive.

Barack Obama essentially approved infanticide.

People, this is not rocket science. If birth is induced and the infant is outside the womb and is moving around(demonstrating signs of life) then the baby is alive - and Mr. Obama said that he trusts the doctor who had just tried to destroy that life to ensure that this new American citizen receives the neccesary medical care to ensure his/her survival.

The president didn't even know if it was a fetus, or a child. Huh??? Mr. President - we can have disagreements about what the life is inside the womb - but there should be absolutely no conflict over what we are discussing when the life is outside the womb.

Mr. President - that is what one calls a human infant - and it is now a citizen deserving of protection - and you Mr. President voted to open up the potential of that baby being killed.

Why is the MSM ignoring this?
He didn't know because, frankly, not even the delivering physician necessarily knows beforehand.

Breathing or movements are not a guarantee of viability, regardless of heroic measures forced upon it.

Actually this also happens in situations of induced early labor (due to emergent complications of fetus or the woman) or spontaneous premature labor.

If a fetus emerges at, say, 22 weeks under either of those circumstances and is not stillborn, the doctor determines whether heroic measures are to be taken or not. Sometimes it is a case of state law regarding gestation alone, the facility's guidelines, or the physician's own determination based on vital signs, lung maturity, etc.

The mere fact that a fetus isn't stillborn -- regardless of circumstances causing the separation from the womb -- is no guarantee that a doctor is going to try to save it.

Some situations are simply futile.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:22 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Probably because this happened in 2002 and has already been hashed over. A lot has happened in the last 10 years that's a little more important to report on.
I agree - so why have the Democrats made abortion an issue with the attacks on the guy from Missouri? Aren't there more important things to report on then what Akin thinks can prevent a pregnancy?
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:30 AM
 
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I agree - so why have the Democrats made abortion an issue with the attacks on the guy from Missouri? Aren't there more important things to report on then what Akin thinks can prevent a pregnancy?
Probably because that happened a week ago.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:52 AM
 
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I agree - so why have the Democrats made abortion an issue with the attacks on the guy from Missouri? Aren't there more important things to report on then what Akin thinks can prevent a pregnancy?
And probably because the Republican platform is to make all abortions illegal including in the cases of rape and incest.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:56 AM
 
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Abortion stops a beating heart.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:58 AM
 
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Abortion stops a beating heart.
Not prior to the formation of a heart.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:03 AM
 
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Probably because this happened in 2002 and has already been hashed over. A lot has happened in the last 10 years that's a little more important to report on.

Great!

Go start your own thread.


As for what happened in 2002, it really is immaterial since everyone who supports abortion also realizes they are murdering babies.

They just don't care.

They'll argue fine points about viability and privacy rights to keep from admitting what we all know is true.

They'll play the victim and accuse those with common decency of oppressing women and trying to take their rights away, but it's all a charade.

It's a baby because it isn't anything else.
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Old 08-28-2012, 09:32 AM
 
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And probably because the Republican platform is to make all abortions illegal including in the cases of rape and incest.
You people pull this every election year it is old and tiring.
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