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View Poll Results: Do you think Sandy was a consequence of man-made GW or climate change?
Yes. Human-influenced climate change is probably at least partly to blame 43 53.09%
No. Modern humans have no influence on the climate whatsoever 31 38.27%
I don't know/Undecided 7 8.64%
Voters: 81. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-01-2012, 09:24 PM
 
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I am a bit disappointed, but not surprised that more people did not choose "I don't know."

I really don't think global warming is necessarily behind any large storm. There are many factors. But it appears plenty of Einsteins here are absolutely sure it has no effect on climate. What ignoramuses.

hurricanes occur naturally every year, but warming ocean water and air temperature causes them to be more severe, and more frequent. when you heat up water the water level of the ocean rises, which can create bigger monster waves during storms and more flood damage. warmer temperatures causes the polar ice sheets to melt, raising water level even more.

I used to be in the "I don't know" camp, but its getting harder and harder to ignore these simple cause and effects. this July has also been the hottest on record in the US, and its not getting any cooler. as Bloomberg said, there's only so many times you can write it off it as a freak incident that could never happen again.


with all these constant record-breaking heating trends in the oceans and the air every year, there's simply no way these storms aren't going to repeat themselves, and get worse.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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I am a bit disappointed, but not surprised that more people did not choose "I don't know."

I really don't think global warming is necessarily behind any large storm. There are many factors. But it appears plenty of Einsteins here are absolutely sure it has no effect on climate. What ignoramuses.
There have been a lot of solar storms recently -- they would have far more to do with global warming than any thing on earth could do. All our energy comes from the sun.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:08 AM
 
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hurricanes occur naturally every year, but warming ocean water and air temperature causes them to be more severe, and more frequent. when you heat up water the water level of the ocean rises, which can create bigger monster waves during storms and more flood damage. warmer temperatures causes the polar ice sheets to melt, raising water level even more.

I used to be in the "I don't know" camp, but its getting harder and harder to ignore these simple cause and effects. this July has also been the hottest on record in the US, and its not getting any cooler. as Bloomberg said, there's only so many times you can write it off it as a freak incident that could never happen again.


with all these constant record-breaking heating trends in the oceans and the air every year, there's simply no way these storms aren't going to repeat themselves, and get worse.
And how was Storm Sandy more severe than the hurricanes in 1938 and 1955 which each killed about 200 people? And the one in 1972 killed 122 -- there were many fewer deaths with this storm and the population is much much higher now.

I think what is man-made about these disasters is that so many more people are jam-packed into hurricane prone regions than before, and becoming less self-reliant so that a storm affects them much more. In 1821, no one's electricity went out, in 1938, if the electricity went out, it would have affected many fewer people.
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Old 11-02-2012, 02:48 AM
 
Location: Central Ohio
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Of course it has to do with man-made global warming. Pretty much every major science body of every civilized government has already agreed on this (all the more amazing since they can't seem to agree on anything else)!

But good luck having a rational discussion on this subject, anymore than that's possible re: "illegals", "birthers", "abortion", "FEMA", "the U.N.", and most other paranoid and fanatical obsessions of the right...
Of course it does, nothing like this has ever happened before!

1938 New England hurricane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


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The New England Hurricane of 1938 (or Great New England Hurricane, Yankee Clipper, Long Island Express, or simply the Great Hurricane) was the first major hurricane to strike New England since 1869. The storm formed near the coast of Africa in September of the 1938 Atlantic hurricane season, becoming a Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale before making landfall as a Category 3 hurricane[1] on Long Island on September 21. The hurricane was estimated to have killed between 682 and 800 people,[2] damaged or destroyed over 57,000 homes, and caused property losses estimated at US$306 million ($4.7 Billion in 2012).[3] Even as late as 1951, damaged trees and buildings were still seen in the affected areas.[4] It remains the most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in recent New England history, eclipsed in landfall intensity perhaps only by the Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:20 AM
 
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Yet again, never let a crisis go to waste....
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:12 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Science is not based on "beliefs" but upon facts, evidence, and tested hypotheses, which do not seem to support AGW / AGCC.

http://blog.independent.org/2012/01/...mate-alarmism/
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There is no compelling scientific argument for drastic action to “decarbonize” the world’s economy. Even if one accepts the inflated climate forecasts of the IPCC, aggressive greenhouse-gas control policies are not justified economically. . . . Every candidate should support rational measures to protect and improve our environment, but it makes no sense at all to back expensive programs that divert resources from real needs and are based on alarming but untenable claims of “incontrovertible” evidence.
Remember, climate is what you expect - weather is what you get.
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:38 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default The sky is falling!

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Of course it has to do with man-made global warming. Pretty much every major science body of every civilized government has already agreed on this (all the more amazing since they can't seem to agree on anything else)!

But good luck having a rational discussion on this subject, anymore than that's possible re: "illegals", "birthers", "abortion", "FEMA", "the U.N.", and most other paranoid and fanatical obsessions of the right...
Consensus is not science. What they agreed to, was to manipulate and/or manufacture phony data to show "global warming." It was a scam designed to change the behavior of humans to suit their liberal agenda, to force us to drive smaller automobiles, end our use of fossil fuels, and other things liberals don't like.

Man has no power to change the global environment. Only God has that kind of power.

That people are gulible enough to believe this hoax is truly amazing. The ignorant masses are quick to follow after any bunch of Chicken Little's.
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:48 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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Default Okay, so you're an atheist.

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but a man walking on water and parting the oceans is real?
Since Jesus Christ was God, I believe He could do anything.

That you are an unbeliever explains why you fall prey to such hoaxes. Man has no such power to affect the climate of the planet. A volcano can spew tons of ash and gasses into the atmosphere in a few days, yet it does not change the climate of the world.

And pictures of polar bears riding ice flows shows them doing what they do. They do that. It isn't because they are stranded. You leftist are amazingly stupid!
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:52 AM
 
Location: On the "Left Coast", somewhere in "the Land of Fruits & Nuts"
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Consensus is not science. What they agreed to, was to manipulate and/or manufacture phony data to show "global warming." It was a scam designed to change the behavior of humans to suit their liberal agenda, to force us to drive smaller automobiles, end our use of fossil fuels, and other things liberals don't like.

Man has no power to change the global environment. Only God has that kind of power.

That people are gulible enough to believe this hoax is truly amazing. The ignorant masses are quick to follow after any bunch of Chicken Little's.
Be that as it may, it's still the consensus of the overwhelming majority of credentialed scientists around the globe, most of whom do this kinda stuff for a living. So remind us again what your "credentials" are, exactly (aside from the Bible)?

Although for all I know, you also probably think the earth is only 6 thousand years old and that man walked with dinosaurs (aka, the Fred Flintstone Theory of Evolution)!
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:40 AM
 
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**** happens........

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1938 New England hurricane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The New England Hurricane of 1938 (or Great New England Hurricane, Yankee Clipper, Long Island Express, or simply the Great Hurricane) was the first major hurricane to strike New England since 1869. The storm formed near the coast of Africa in September of the 1938 Atlantic hurricane season, becoming a Category 5 hurricane on the Saffir-Simpson Hurricane Scale before making landfall as a Category 3 hurricane[1] on Long Island on September 21. The hurricane was estimated to have killed between 682 and 800 people,[2] damaged or destroyed over 57,000 homes, and caused property losses estimated at US$306 million ($4.7 Billion in 2012).[3] Even as late as 1951, damaged trees and buildings were still seen in the affected areas.[4] It remains the most powerful, costliest and deadliest hurricane in recent New England history, eclipsed in landfall intensity perhaps only by the Great Colonial Hurricane of 1635.
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