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Old 11-22-2012, 01:56 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I've really never seen such a display of nauseating self-righteous selfishness in my entire life.

I can't people would go to the lengths y'all would to deny that the very items that sustain life are not a right for your fellow man.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:00 PM
 
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I've really never seen such a display of nauseating self-righteous selfishness in my entire life.

I can't people would go to the lengths y'all would to deny that the very items that sustain life are not a right for your fellow man.
Where you in The Wizard of Oz, cause you seem to be Mr. Streawman. Nobody is denying you a damn thing. YOu are free to go and purchase whatever you want. I'll sell you some if you want.

Not providing you with something gratis, is not the same, by any stretch, as denyting it.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:02 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Ok-- So to be consistent with your values, I assume you employ your own police force and fire department. Did you go to public schools? Do you have your own highway system.

Selfish. Selfish. Selfish.

So this all begs the question, did you ask the original question because you wanted to find out how various people felt about it or did you ask it merely for an opportunity to argue vociferously with anyone and everyone who didn't agree with your stance on it? Given that way back you politicized the issue by denigrating one side of the aisle, making it clear you are in concert with the opposite side, I think your OP was disingenuous from the start.

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with you donating everything you have to feed and see to the healthcare needs of others. Of course, that assumes you're not on the receiving end yourself.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:03 PM
 
Location: DFW
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I can't people would go to the lengths y'all would to deny that the very items that sustain life are not a right for your fellow man.
All of us do not want to see the needy go hungry. You feel it is something that must be forced on us and dictated by the Govt taking our money. Most of us feel it should be done better on the local level.

If it's between feeding others or feeding my family, I take care of my family 1st.

There is no RIGHT to food or health care.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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All of us do not want to see the needy go hungry. You feel it is something that must be forced on us and dictated by the Govt taking our money. Most of us feel it should be done better on the local level.

If it's between feeding others or feeding my family, I take care of my family 1st.

There is no RIGHT to food or health care.
Again, if you don't want to see people go hungry or suffer for lack of health care, why wouldn't you declare it's a right?
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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So this all begs the question, did you ask the original question because you wanted to find out how various people felt about it or did you ask it merely for an opportunity to argue vociferously with anyone and everyone who didn't agree with your stance on it? Given that way back you politicized the issue by denigrating one side of the aisle, making it clear you are in concert with the opposite side, I think your OP was disingenuous from the start.

For the record, I have absolutely no problem with you donating everything you have to feed and see to the healthcare needs of others. Of course, that assumes you're not on the receiving end yourself.
Sorry, I was expecting human decency. I am liberal on issues like this, and pretty conservative on others.

For the record I haven't asking you to give anything to anyone anything-- only to agree that people, by virtue of being human, have the right to food and healthcare. I am shocked that so few agree, and to the lengths that some would go to save themselves a buck or two even if it means others starve.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:08 PM
 
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Again, if you don't want to see people go hungry or suffer for lack of health care, why wouldn't you declare it's a right?
Because it ISN"T. For the record, I don't care if you starve to death.

Last edited by CaseyB; 11-23-2012 at 05:03 AM.. Reason: language
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Again, if you don't want to see people go hungry or suffer for lack of health care, why wouldn't you declare it's a right?
Here is why.

The decline in the poverty rate stabilized and reversed itself.
The U.S. poverty rate was in sharp decline in the early 1960s -- before the Great Society.

- More children were born out of wedlock
% of U.S. Children born out of wedlock. This rate exploded in the mid-1960s.

- The homicide rate doubled
Annual U.S. murders increased sharply from the mid-1960s

- High school graduation rates declined
High school graduation rates reached an all time high shortly before the Great Society initiatives


The results of the Great Society. Gee, at least we meant well.
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Old 11-22-2012, 02:21 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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I don't care if you starve to death.
I rest my case.

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Old 11-22-2012, 03:27 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Sorry, I was expecting human decency. I am liberal on issues like this, and pretty conservative on others.

For the record I haven't asking you to give anything to anyone anything-- only to agree that people, by virtue of being human, have the right to food and healthcare. I am shocked that so few agree, and to the lengths that some would go to save themselves a buck or two even if it means others starve.
I will be the first to agree that no one in this country should have to go hungry or do without critically needed medical care. However, I do not agree that government has to necessarily be the answer, nor do I think persons should be put into a governmentally dependent status if it can be avoided. All that accomplishes is to destroy whatever pride and ambition they may have had. Where we live there is considerable poverty but churches and various social groups move mountains to see to the welfare of all and especially the children.

Especially as someone who worked in the political and legislative arena for 20 years, I am always very wary of any move to declare anything beyond what the Constitution currently provides for a right. That establishes a mandate and far too often makes many complacent and the less willing to fend for themselves. The end result is rather than helping them, you have severely limited them.
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