"Dependent Class" vs. "Producer Class" (wages, illegal, illegal immigration)
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A false dichotomy has been erected by people declaring themselves "the producer class" vs. "the dependent class."
But, where a single mother of two may work 40 hours+ as a waitress at a local diner, or a father works as a landscaper all day, they still may not be able to provide for their family. (Could be due to declining wages and benefits in these fields, among many other factors). Even IF their respective families have to receive Medicaid or school lunches for the kids.... are the waitress and landscaper REALLY "non producers?"
Arguably, the waitress and landscaper produce and work harder than a financier or investor.
The Capitalist economy requires an underclass of unskilled, low wage workers. Why demonize those who fulfill important sectors and functions in our economy. Just because something does not pay well, doesn't mean it's non-essential. And, just because something pays well doesn't mean its a valuable or even necessary part of the economy.
Well --- the single mother is a "producer" of children at any rate -- children she's having but cannot support.
Whatever happened to all this birth control the liberals are pushing? Or is it counter productive to push welfare handouts to reward all those who have babies they cannot afford while pushing birth control at the same time?
And yes -- massive illegal immigration from the third world is driving down wages -- that's why we have it.
Well --- the single mother is a "producer" of children at any rate -- children she's having but cannot support.
Whatever happened to all this birth control the liberals are pushing? Or is it counter productive to push welfare handouts to reward all those who have babies they cannot afford while pushing birth control at the same time?
And yes -- massive illegal immigration from the third world is driving down wages -- that's why we have it.
I guess we need to convince the church to tell their parishioners that birth control is OK. Not holding my breath. Perhaps the Church can support all those welfare kids.
I guess we need to convince the church to tell their parishioners that birth control is OK. Not holding my breath. Perhaps the Church can support all those welfare kids.
Well who convinced the single-mothers that fornication is okay? Isn't fornication also wrong as far as the church?
Originally Posted by crone
I guess we need to convince the church to tell their parishioners that birth control is OK. Not holding my breath. Perhaps the Church can support all those welfare kids.
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Originally Posted by malamute
Well who convinced the single-mothers that fornication is okay? Isn't fornication also wrong as far as the church?
Those are not producers. Waitress and landscaper are service jobs. They don't produce anything.
An artist is a producer, a farmer is a producer, a rancher is a producer.
They produce a product that is sold.
If you are not a producer then you are a consumer.
Where did you get "dependent" from ?
True. In fact it doesn't benefit the economy at all if the leaves in my neighbor's yard get raked up or not. Hiring some cheap landscaper is actually worse for the economy because someone who mows his own lawn is more likely going to purchase a better lawnmower.
Those are not producers. Waitress and landscaper are service jobs. They don't produce anything.
An artist is a producer, a farmer is a producer, a rancher is a producer.
They produce a product that is sold.
If you are not a producer then you are a consumer.
Where did you get "dependent" from ?
That's a ridiculous assertion. I just paid my landscaper $200 to trim my juniper bushes, my mesquite tree, and do debris cleanup. How in the hell isn't he a producer? If he's not a producer, then neither are you nor is anyone else.
I think what is weirdest about the "makers and takers" thing is that a person's whole worth is being decided on how much in federal taxes they pay. Not taxes period mind you. Not state, local, property or even sales.... JUST federal taxes. If you work 40+ hours a week it doesn't matter either. You can only be worthy if you pay federal taxes. It's just such a bizarre line of reasoning to me.
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