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"greatest" or "worst" is of course subjective to some extent. The "meta" review of Lincoln shows public, historian, and popular opinion that Lincoln is the best president in History. Believing otherwise is fine, just that most people disagree with you.
I understand. Popular opinion has been shaped by the history books, and those who win wars get to write the history books so it's no surprise that Lincoln is the good guy and Davis is the bad guy. Do you think Washington and Jefferson would be on Mt Rushmore if the US had lost the Revolutionary war? No way.
Actually, "greatest" or "worst" is totally subjective. Everyone has a different measuring stick.
BTW, the majority of the people and scientists once thought the world was flat.....
Are the historical statements and references he uses wrong?
No, but it wasn't Lincoln's choice. He was dealing with a disaster that had been merely postponed for (nearly) a century. To villify him for that reason is utter stupidity.
True. Ever since Lincoln emancipated the slaves, this country has gone downhill. Time to take the country back.
Emancipation of the slaves had nothing to do with it. It was a political move to gain support and moralize a movement to hide the fact that he was violating many aspects of constitutional authority. In his own words, Lincoln admitted that if he could have salvaged the union without releasing the slaves, he would have. Anyone who thinks Lincoln freed the slaves out of a gesture of humanity is an ignorant fool. Heck, my neighbor is a hard focused black movement supporter and even he knows the history of Lincoln was a load of garbage.
Sort of like southerners who bought and sold people, broke families apart for profit, sexually abused the men, women and children they "owned".
Sort of like the Southerners who demanded that the expanding West be slave owning territories, that escaped slaves in free states be returned to forced servitude for life.
In the weeks and months after war broke out on April 12 at Fort Sumter, Southern generals learned they could get useful information about Union deployments and troop strength simply by reading the newspaper.[16] General George McClellan, commander of the Union army, met with editors and reporters to find a way to control the flow of information that was helping the enemy. On August 2, McClellan and the newspaper representatives signed guidelines governing news coverage. The guidelines were to go to "editors of all newspapers in the loyal States and District of Columbia."[17] The guidelines said:
1st. That all such editors be requested to refrain from publishing, either as editorial, or as correspondence of any description, or from any point, any matter that may furnish aid and comfort to the enemy.
2nd. That they be also requested and earnestly solicited to signify to their correspondent here and elsewhere their approval of the foregoing suggestion, and to comply with it in spirit and letter.
Also, resolved. That the government be respectfully requested to afford to the representatives of the press facilities for obtaining and immediately transmitting all information suitable for publication, particularly touching engagements with the enemy.[18]
Too bad you know nothing about military intelligence.
He may have been, he may not have been. He did not let these "supposed" views deter him from doing what was legally and morally the correct thing to do.
Sorry he needed no justification to whip a bunch of ignorant traitors back into line, when they decided to attempt to overthrow the authority of the Federal government because they could not part with their human meal tickets, they got what they deserved.
The Confederate flag NEVER flew over a slave ship on the other hand the US flag did fly over MANY slave ships and slavery started in the north.Slavery was peacefully ended everywhere else except the US and it would have happened here as well.I don't care what Gen. McClellan did the first amendment protects free speech Lincoln and his thugs destroyed the constitution and its only continued to be destroyed with damn near every president since then.
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So who am I to believe? The works of academically-vetted, well-respected historians or revisionist-history-in-service-to-a-far-right-ideology? Tough choice.
Nothing is revisionist. Read Lincoln's own speeches. Its right there for you to read and study for yourself. Most people are just to lazy or incompetent to do so. They like to believe the lies they have been fed all of their lives.
I suspect that had Lincoln not been the kind of man that he was and had followed in the footsteps of histories other illustrious victors over rebells Jefferson Davis and his cohorts wouldn't have statues and other public buildings named after them having been completely decimated and written out of history all together... frankly from my perspective the country has been worse off as a result of his beneficence.
No, but it wasn't Lincoln's choice. He was dealing with a disaster that had been merely postponed for (nearly) a century. To villify him for that reason is utter stupidity.
Wow...
Denial? Really? So you take all of the historical facts and then, in order to deny his own words, his own statements and actions, you concoct some speculative excuse of why he had to do what he did?
Stupid? You really are trying to argue a position of what is stupidity?
I can think of no better servant than what you have displayed. /boggle
According to you. Not the Constitution but you wouldn't know that as you just take bits and pieces here and there and say HA! Told ya so!. I do wonder if the British see the US as unconstitutional seeing how they seceded and all.
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