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Old 12-10-2012, 05:16 PM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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It is true the US is becoming more and more liberal.
However, I suppose "marriage" will not exist in the US soon, not to mention same sex marriage. Over 50% marriage lead to divorce anyway. Legalizing same sex marriage only makes the process even faster.

In Netherlands, same sex marriage lasts two years, on average.
I never heard that about the Netherlands, and I've travelled to that country dozens of times (the only place where I can buy my Fries Nagelkass!) ... can you cite your source for that bit of information?

If the duration of marriage has been statistically short for one group - African-Americans, say, compared to whites - that is still no reason to deny them the civil right to civil marriage.

Civil marriage is a civil right.

 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:17 PM
 
Location: LA County
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NY doesn't recognize drivers license's of kids under the age of 16 even if their state allows them to drive. let's start WWIII over kids rights.
Contract law covers driver's licenses for minors? States recognize driver's licenses from other states
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:19 PM
 
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If something is not legal, it means it is not approved by the public, and thus not encouraged by the society.
It has a HUGE impact on children's values and ideology.
So what? Homosexuals are homosexual regardless of what the law says. By insisting that society "disapproves" of homosexuals, you are not going to have the effect of turning gay people straight. Nor should you want to, even were it possible.

And children should be taught respect for all lifestyles.

And guess what? More and more of them are, which is why SSM is so popular among young people. Which is why universal passage is inevitable.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:20 PM
 
Location: LA County
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Originally Posted by Bettafish View Post
It is true the US is becoming more and more liberal.
However, I suppose "marriage" will not exist in the US soon, not to mention same sex marriage. Over 50% marriage lead to divorce anyway. Legalizing same sex marriage only makes the process even faster.

In Netherlands, same sex marriage lasts two years, on average.
extending rights to people will not kill marriage
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:22 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EastCoastRefugee2 View Post
Contract law covers driver's licenses for minors? States recognize driver's licenses from other states
not if their under 16
NYS DMV - Driver License, Learner Permit and Non-Driver Photo ID Card

You cannot drive in NYS if you are under the age of 16. If you have a learner permit or a driver license from another state, you are not exempt from this rule.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:22 PM
 
Location: LA County
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It is still not 100% clear whether sexual orientation is acquired after birth, for some individuals.
There has been no evidence sexual orientation is nature. I believe there is no 'gay' or 'hetero' gene. There are genes and sequences that may affect preferences before birth, but nurture must have some role.

Sexual preferences like fetishes have a psychological component
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:24 PM
 
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I never heard that about the Netherlands, and I've travelled to that country dozens of times (the only place where I can buy my Fries Nagelkass!) ... can you cite your source for that bit of information?

If the duration of marriage has been statistically short for one group - African-Americans, say, compared to whites - that is still no reason to deny them the civil right to civil marriage.

Civil marriage is a civil right.
I read it sometime before. You can search for it on line and judge by yourself. Usually these studies are controversial because there are many interpretations.

Many African countries allow polygamy. In fact I consider it appropriate. I don't want to stir more fights but I think different people have different culture, different biological traits, and thus different marriage forms.
I do NOT believe humans are strictly identical.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:25 PM
 
Location: LA County
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not if their under 16
NYS DMV - Driver License, Learner Permit and Non-Driver Photo ID Card

You cannot drive in NYS if you are under the age of 16. If you have a learner permit or a driver license from another state, you are not exempt from this rule.
I mentioned contract law covering driver licenses for minors.

You are confusing issues that sometimes have competing interests. States recognize driver licenses from other states. Issues of who gets a driver's license is another thing.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:25 PM
 
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There has been no evidence sexual orientation is nature. I believe there is no 'gay' or 'hetero' gene. There are genes and sequences that may affect preferences before birth, but nurture must have some role.

Sexual preferences like fetishes have a psychological component
Of course. The connection between behaviors and genes is always indirect and non-deterministic.
After all, genes can only tell you what proteins to make.
 
Old 12-10-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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So what? Homosexuals are homosexual regardless of what the law says. By insisting that society "disapproves" of homosexuals, you are not going to have the effect of turning gay people straight. Nor should you want to, even were it possible.

And children should be taught respect for all lifestyles.

And guess what? More and more of them are, which is why SSM is so popular among young people. Which is why universal passage is inevitable.
Western countries banned research that look for "treatment" of homosexuality.
This is how ideology affects science/technology.

Otherwise, we may have found a way to change some people's sexual orientation. Or a way to prevent the change of sexual orientation...
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