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Old 12-16-2012, 05:25 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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She was not only a prepper, she was the ultimate gun fanatic. News reports say she would often take her kids, including Adam to the gun range. I don't know why anyone would feel the need to expose their kids to something as lethal as a gun. In fact she didn't just own a gun... she had several high powered weapons. With Adam's personality and the easy access he had to his mother's guns, it was a just a disaster waiting to happen.
Indeed so....and precisely why trusting today's public-at-large with guns is a public safety nightmare.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:30 PM
 
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But what happened here is just obscene, and you can't deny that the weapon used played a huge part in that.
Yes, I can.

A skilled shooter could have carried out this carnage with any one of a host of weapons, many that are NOT labeled "assault weapons".

The problem is this...

When someone shoots at you, the best defense is to SHOOT BACK. Nobody in the school was able to do so.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:33 PM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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I am not the one calling to restrict the rights of millions of people who didn't go on a shooting spree because of the acts of one who did.

As I have explained in multiple posts, the ONLY form of gun control that would have prevented this tragedy would have been a complete civilian firearm ban. The shooter stole guns he was legally not authorized to own or possess, and did what he did. It wouldn't have mattered if all he had was a .22 pistol, the result would be the same.

You have it backwards: The rights of the few should not be of such magnitude that they render everyday life dangerous for the majority. Most Americans are uncomfortable thinking that a trip to the mall, a day at work or a day at school isn't safe, isn't a normal activity. We have the right to live without the impediment of someone with a weapon of such lethal capacity as the one Lanza used having the freedom to attack us as we go about our normal routines.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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I just read this:

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The shooter used an assault rifle as the primary weapon, Dr Carver said. In the seven autopsies which he performed, the number of gunshot wounds per person ranged from 3 to 11, he said.

There were "many" bullet shell casings at the crime scene, he said.

"This is a very devastating set of injuries," he added.

"I believe everybody was hit (by gunfire) more than once," he said.
Medical Examiner Discusses His Findings In School Shooting Deaths | The Newtown Bee

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Old 12-16-2012, 05:37 PM
 
Location: DFW
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Indeed so....and precisely why trusting today's public-at-large with guns is a public safety nightmare.
Most kids are taught at an early age how to respect, handle and control guns. These kids grow up hunting, fishing and these are never the ones that have the problems. They even have family days at gun ranges which are very popular.

A kid who grows up and is trained in firearms is not the problem. Most of these kids have raised on computers in their parents basement and Death to them is a fantasy. If they were raised to hunt and handle weapons they would understand the power of that firearm.

You can't blame a man for not knowing how to use a hammer unless he's shown properly in his youth.

These kids are out of touch with reality.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:40 PM
 
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You have it backwards: The rights of the few should not be of such magnitude that they render everyday life dangerous for the majority.
Look, I don't want to minimize this horrific act. It was brutal, it was awful, it was sick, and it was twisted.

But, at the same time, we have to keep some perspective. While it may not seem that way, the simple fact of the matter is that our society is in better shape than it's been since well before my birth. Any metric you look at, be it murder rates, other violent crime, non-violent crime, STD infections, teenage pregnancy, you name it... Virtually all of them are at, or near, all time lows. You were more likely to be murdered in 1960 than in 2010.

Assault weapons are used in <2% of all gun crimes and <1% of all murders.

There simply is not a widespread problem due to the existence of these weapons in society. They were banned before, and the reason the ban was lifted was that it was found that banning them MADE NO DIFFERENCE.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:42 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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As I type these words, I have an assault rifle leaning up against my couch. It's currently in 2 pieces because I need to clean it, but it's there nonetheless. In the other room, I have 4 30 round magazines, only 2 of which are currently loaded.

Am I "whaco"?
Depends. Got any mentally unstable dependents living with you? Ones that you personally taught to shoot?
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Yes, I can.

A skilled shooter could have carried out this carnage with any one of a host of weapons, many that are NOT labeled "assault weapons".

The problem is this...

When someone shoots at you, the best defense is to SHOOT BACK. Nobody in the school was able to do so.
Ah so we should arm first-graders. Great idea!
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:43 PM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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It also provides them with the training to become mass murderers if they decide to go that route. How about teaching kids to respect other humans, instead of respecting guns?
Thank you again....great series of posts.

Responsible and intelligent parents understand that there is no need whatsoever for guns in the home and that having them only makes it more dangerous.

The shooter's mother learned that the hard way.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:44 PM
 
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Depends. Got any mentally unstable dependents living with you? Ones that you personally taught to shoot?
Nope. Well, you could call my wife's judgement in question for marrying me, but that's a different conversation.

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Ah so we should arm first-graders. Great idea!
I wasn't talking about the students, I was talking about the staff. And if you seriously thought I meant that, I don't even know how to respond.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:48 PM
 
Location: in a cabin overlooking the mountains
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Nope. Well, you could call my wife's judgement in question for marrying me, but that's a different conversation.



I wasn't talking about the students, I was talking about the staff. And if you seriously thought I meant that, I don't even know how to respond.
LOL hubby taught me to shoot so perhaps I should keep my mouth shut on that one.

And no I didn't seriously think you wanted to arm first graders but it would not surpirse me one bit if someone else does. Isn't that the logical conclusion? Arm the staff of elementary schools because the kids are too little to handle firearms. But at what point would a parent insist that their own kid be armed? At the age of 16? 12? 10?
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