Most homophobes I know aren't even religious (suspect, death, solution)
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As to gays and children, read my previous post. The only way that happens is by agreement. Hence there is no reason to have protections in place before a child, unintentionally, arrives. They're already in place because there is no biological risk of a gay couple producing a child.
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Originally Posted by Trimac20
In nature children/families were a direct product of SEXUAL REPRODUCTION, which requires both a male and a female to raise a children that is both theirs.
I'm not saying that ONLY a biological parent should raise their child, there are circumstances where that is not possible.
There are gay and lesbian couples raising children. You do know that, don't you. Doesn't matter if these children or biologically related to one of the couple, the other one of the couple, both partners in the couple, or neither one of them. The fact remains: gay and lesbian couples are raising children.
Besides, gay and lesbian couples - if they are not to be treated as Second-Class Citizens - deserve to have their relationships recognized and respected.
Of course, some of you hold LGBT people in contempt. You disrespect them. You do not see them as being eligible for civil rights or equality. I cannot change your opinion. You are prejudiced.
An extra benefit is not about equality, thats why its called a benefit. The hetro marriage is a symbol, example and means by which the species survives. This surviving value is a benefit to society, so where funds are available the progressive system returns the value in the form of a benefit. Benefit in return for the benefit of the achieved union. If there was equality there would be zero consideration or benefit for the value in the hetro contribution, example and family unit. So there needs to be a unanimously understood real benefit to society in order to justify a benefit unique to the gay commitment. A value into society in the form of progress for being in a gay arrangement is required. The gay people can complain and do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned, but reason is what its is and the plead simply winds up with an ancient thoughtless and contradictory system which denys a benefit to the traditional family unit and valued example of the union achieved by others. The system then says there is no recognition of value in the hetro union which is what is evolving, but at least have the intelligence and courtesy to drop the word benefit. The end result is a society who removes its shown interest in the hetro union which serves in example in the community both by intention in promise including compliance with the flourishing of the species and, all that it unfolds. Which happens to be the human race, the recognized backbone of any civilization's use of what would be very basic common sense, reason.
Last edited by stargazzer; 12-23-2012 at 08:30 PM..
Research does suggest gay men tend to have a "weak" father and their mother tends to be dominant in the family. So it could be a role model issue, together with genetic foundation.
What 'research' suggests that? That's a completely BS claim. (As well as being totally ridiculous)
something can only contribute to the community or not contribute, something can only be a negative example or a positive example suggesting a potential to contribute a value to the community....how is a gay couple a good example to a community where people can only live so long and need to be replaced by the hetro couple... and seen in the community, an example of a real surviving value and contribution. A value also in its example of compliance with existence, which allows the human race to be what it is.
In addition, marriage is a way to protect women and children.
In traditional societies, women do not go out to work and they need to take care of children (usually a lot of children in old days). Marriage can force men to be bonded with their women and children, and take responsibilities.
Same sex couples do not have exact the same problem, and because they lack social approval and refuse to conform, their relationship is heavily based on sexual attraction... We all know strong attraction decays pretty fast: some scientists say three years to die.
It really shakes the foundation of family.
Wow. You really don't know much about history do you? Or science. Or homosexuality.
Almost every homophobe I've ever met has been religious. Religion is the driving force behind anti-gay sentiment based on the butchering and abuse of the English Bible. Gays are treated like modern day witches.
You just say that because you make a hobby out of tearing down Christians and the values they promote.
An extra benefit is not about equality, thats why its called a benefit. The hetro marriage is a symbol, example and means by which the species survives. This surviving value is a benefit to society, so where funds are available the progressive system returns the value in the form of a benefit. Benefit in return for the benefit of the achieved union. If there was equality there would be zero consideration or benefit for the value in the hetro contribution, example and family unit. So there needs to be a unanimously understood real benefit to society in order to justify a benefit unique to the gay commitment. A value into society in the form of progress for being in a gay arrangement is required. The gay people can complain and do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned, but reason is what its is and the plead simply winds up with an ancient thoughtless and contradictory system which denys a benefit to the traditional family unit and valued example of the union achieved by others. The system then says there is no recognition of value in the hetro union which is what is evolving, but at least have the intelligence and courtesy to drop the word benefit. The end result is a society who removes its shown interest in the hetro union which serves in example in the community both by intention in promise including compliance with the flourishing of the species and, all that it unfolds. Which happens to be the human race, the recognized backbone of any civilization's use of what would be very basic common sense, reason.
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Originally Posted by stargazzer
I'm just seeing this now and on my way out until later tonight, Your idea wants to downsize the population by replacing sex with homosexuality. Why not just create a company that can reduce more efficiently by random bomb dropping, both are immoral. Or spread a virus...IOW....the depopulation objective correcting an opinionated or whatever wrong, in your view outweighs the wrong in homosexuality....if you want to argue whether or not the homosexual act is or is not an outright virtuous intentional( moral) act, then that is another argument. Something is either moral or it is not, right course of behav or wrong. You would have hetro immoral, and gay a moral virtuous act.
In regards to the part in bold, yes, in a sense. However, I would merely encourage this by supporting homosexuals in addition to supporting heterosexuals with large families. I might however, be a little more supportive of the persons with small families in overpopulated nations than those with large. Let the smart people decide when the government should limit family size, if ever. I'm not a smart person regarding this topic.
Following a homosexual lifestyle (differentiated from being a homosexual, take note) is a choice. Having a bomb dropped on you or being subjected to a plague is typically not your choice. Also, having a bomb dropped on you, even if it is your choice to have that bomb dropped on you, has quite a few more potential long term negative consequences for you than homosexuality
There may be a mass number of deaths for humans in the next few centuries due to overpopulation and it's affect on the environment, such as using up groundwater and other freshwater sources, or disease which spreads rapidly due to overcrowding. However, we do not know that the above will happen. We do, however know that some people want large families. Therefore, them getting large families is a definite good and should be encouraged, so long as they have the resources to provide for them. (at least in not-overpopulated nations) However, I would definitely not encourage persons who do not desire large families to attempt to have them.
Similarly, we do not know whether or not homosexuality harms society (unless you have statistics that show that it does.) We do, however, know that it would make a sizeable percentage of the population very happy to have gay marriage, and vastly more so to continue their homosexual lifestyle without pressure to change.
I'm hardly willing to put negative pressure on modern people to save potential lives of our long term descendants. In regards to something so seemingly miniscule as culture that might be harmed by homosexuality...I'm thinking, Why is this even a question? Insta-trash it if it's inhibitive or seems moderately unpleasant, and lacks an appropriate level of a definitive or likely beneficial value. I see pressure on homosexuals not to be homosexuals, and an opposition towards gay marriage, as being aspects of culture we'd do well to insta-trash...with extra emphasis on the pressure on homosexuals not being homosexuals being insta-trashed. The response in your statement that begins "an extra benefit is not about equality" seems to show only potential negatives of homosexuality, whereas I see a definite negative of being against homosexuality, (that negative consisting of self-proclaimed homosexuals feeling negative, in response to the opposition towards homosexuality).
A bird in the bag's worth two in the bush....
I am, however, appreciative of your descriptive responses.
An extra benefit is not about equality, thats why its called a benefit. The hetro marriage is a symbol, example and means by which the species survives. This surviving value is a benefit to society, so where funds are available the progressive system returns the value in the form of a benefit. Benefit in return for the benefit of the achieved union. If there was equality there would be zero consideration or benefit for the value in the hetro contribution, example and family unit. So there needs to be a unanimously understood real benefit to society in order to justify a benefit unique to the gay commitment. A value into society in the form of progress for being in a gay arrangement is required. The gay people can complain and do whatever they want as far as I'm concerned, but reason is what its is and the plead simply winds up with an ancient thoughtless and contradictory system which denys a benefit to the traditional family unit and valued example of the union achieved by others. The system then says there is no recognition of value in the hetro union which is what is evolving, but at least have the intelligence and courtesy to drop the word benefit. The end result is a society who removes its shown interest in the hetro union which serves in example in the community both by intention in promise including compliance with the flourishing of the species and, all that it unfolds. Which happens to be the human race, the recognized backbone of any civilization's use of what would be very basic common sense, reason.
If you were any denser, you would be a lump of concrete. There is no extra benefit. We want the same exact 1049 rights and benefits that are granted with a federal secular marriage license that is not dependant on reproduction or children, all it requires is that two people marry on the federal basis. That is all, no extras, no different, just the same. GET IT. Your reasoning fails when it comes to law or to logic. So you lose and will lose in the long run. All you are spewing is your own garbage and it makes no sense at all when it comes to equality and equal rights.
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