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Old 12-26-2012, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Geneva, IL
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Good grief, how many threads have we had on why the Obama's chose this specific school for their daughters. Talk about beating a dead horse....
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:34 AM
 
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Nope - I want the chief executive of this republic to not be a hypocrite.
How is he a hypocrite? He hasn't told local government NOT to do anything. Local government can do whatever the hell they want to!
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:36 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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I am leery of people who trumpet their mode of employment.

I once had to deal with a customer who right up front in her e-mail said that she was a financial planner.

If this woman was capable of doing simple math - she would have never contacted us with her "complaint".
In other words, you have no factual source for your claim that "Obama wants to ban all guns".
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:37 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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So what would be the problem with having professional armed guards at public schools? After all, we've seen ample evidence that they can be targeted by people who want to cause mayhem.
IT'S MORE SPENDING!!!!

If you people pay for your school to have armed guards, be my guest, but I am not going to pay to satisfy the paranoia of people when incidents like Newtown are international news because of their rarity.

There were 98,817 public schools in the country in 2010-2011, if each of those schools hired and employed 2 armed guards each at a cost of $50,000 per guard, it would cost the country $9,881,700,000 each year for that. And that would do NOTHING to keep people safe because two armed guards at a school for 3,000 students that has 4 schoolhouses and temporary classrooms in the parking lot is useless. So we'd probably need an average of 4 guards per school, kicking that cost to $20,000,000,000/yr for the taxpayers to stop maybe one incident every 5 years. Yeah, that's brilliant.

I have no problem with local school districts enacting a local tax in order to satisfy the paranoia of some nutjobs in their community, but I am NOT supporting another form of nationalized welfare to make some paranoid people feel safer. We already do that with our $700,000,000,000 military budget, we don't need to add more spending to make some people FEEL safer while not actually providing their children with any additional protection.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:41 AM
 
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Actually, they are.
Jenna and Barbara were too.
As was Chelsea.

They are prime targets for terrorists, criminals and nutjobs. They are public figures and are targets for every crazed lunatic in the world who wants to get back at America. If my teenaged cousin is kidnapped and held hostage, it's not really a big deal to people that aren't connected to her. If Sasha Obama is kidnapped and held hostage, it's going to be a major international incident and could even start a war.

If you can't see the difference between the first family and your own, you're simply braindead.

Why do you people always choose such innane and idiotic things to be outraged about?
Even if the 11 security guards were all highly-paid secret service agents, we'd be spending at most $1,500,000/yr on them. Hmmm, the military budget that you dolts are so unwilling to cut is $700,000,000,000. So until you people can come to grips with the fact that the military is merely the world's most bloated welfare program, you can't complain about a dime of spending. Not one dime.
9/11 was an act of war, no one "important" was killed, same with Pearl Harbor. Or The Iranian Hostage Crisis was a huge deal. The Difference between an act of war and crime is the distinction of is it domestic or international? not who is it done to.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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Good grief, how many threads have we had on why the Obama's chose this specific school for their daughters. Talk about beating a dead horse....
This thread isn't about what school President Obama chose for his children.

It is about why the loony left denies similar protection to schoolchildren.

On a related subject, President Obama denied the oppurtunity for D.C. schoolchildren to choose to attend a better school - as soon as he took office.

Obama Budget Eliminates D.C. Voucher Funding - By Lindsey Burke - The Corner - National Review Online
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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In other words - the 20 children and 6 faculty in Newtown, CT weren't worthy of protection because they didn't pay for it?


Yes. That's EXACTLY what I'm saying. They aren't "worthy of protection" because they didn't pay for it.



Children in most schools across this country do not and did not NEED armed guard protection. Just like we don't NEED armed guards in most malls. Schools are not high profile targets.


School shootings are very rare. This is a list of them, primary through university:

List of school shootings in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Last I read, there are roughly 100k public schools in America, not including higher ed.

Figuring a generous 10 school shootings a year, this means there is a 0.0001% chance of any particular school being involved in a school shooting.

So, you do the math on whether it makes sense - practically or economically - to waste money on armed security in schools.



And answer the question: How you going to PAY for it? Thought you conservatives were alllll about spending cuts? Parents who are very concerned can go to private.

After all, we shouldn't encourage SOCIALIST public schools anyway. How many parents on this board consider themselves "producer class" yet spens only a fraction to support public schools as compared to what it TRULY costs to educate each of their brood? I have no kids yet, but I'm subsidizing tons of Republican children whose parents whine and moan and complain about leaching dependent types.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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9/11 was an act of war, no one "important" was killed, same with Pearl Harbor. Or The Iranian Hostage Crisis was a huge deal. The Difference between an act of war and crime is the distinction of is it domestic or international? not who is it done to.

The difference between crime and terrorism is MOTIVATION.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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IT'S MORE SPENDING!!!!

If you people pay for your school to have armed guards, be my guest, but I am not going to pay to satisfy the paranoia of people when incidents like Newtown are international news because of their rarity.

There were 98,817 public schools in the country in 2010-2011, if each of those schools hired and employed 2 armed guards each at a cost of $50,000 per guard, it would cost the country $9,881,700,000 each year for that. And that would do NOTHING to keep people safe because two armed guards at a school for 3,000 students that has 4 schoolhouses and temporary classrooms in the parking lot is useless. So we'd probably need an average of 4 guards per school, kicking that cost to $20,000,000,000/yr for the taxpayers to stop maybe one incident every 5 years. Yeah, that's brilliant.

I have no problem with local school districts enacting a local tax in order to satisfy the paranoia of some nutjobs in their community, but I am NOT supporting another form of nationalized welfare to make some paranoid people feel safer. We already do that with our $700,000,000,000 military budget, we don't need to add more spending to make some people FEEL safer while not actually providing their children with any additional protection.
Your ilk wants to ban guns.

Guns are inanimate objects - they only do damage when wielded by a sentient being.

Who is paranoid?
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Mifflinburg, PA
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Arm and train certain faculty members
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