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Old 01-07-2013, 10:47 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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... gets ticket, challenges it in court.

Marin man uses corporate personhood to fight carpool lane ticket - San Jose Mercury News

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Jonathan Frieman, a local activist and nonprofit consultant, was ticketed Oct. 2 for driving in the carpool lane during restricted hours; the officer apparently wasn't impressed when Frieman showed him his incorporation papers. A traffic court hearing is scheduled for Monday afternoon.

The fine for such a violation is $478, but Frieman, 59, of San Rafael, says that if the court rules against him Monday, he's prepared to appeal the case all the way to the California Supreme Court in an effort to expose the impracticality of corporate personhood.

Corporate personhood, of course, has been at the heart of the ongoing debate over campaign finance ever since the U.S. Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United ruling unleashed a torrent of corporate contributions.

"Corporations are imaginary entities, and we've let them run wild," Frieman said in a news release. "Their original intent 200 years ago at the dawn of our nation was to serve human beings. So I'm wresting back that power by making their personhood serve me."
So, what do you free-market fundamentalists think? If a corporation is a person, shouldn't Frieman be let off without a fine?
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Old 01-07-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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... gets ticket, challenges it in court.

Marin man uses corporate personhood to fight carpool lane ticket - San Jose Mercury News



So, what do you free-market fundamentalists think? If a corporation is a person, shouldn't Frieman be let off without a fine?
Yeah, man!

He's a 14th Amendment person - He has privileges!

Just like having an American Express Card, man.

Fascists do as fascists are, man.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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Frieman is an "activist" who went looking for a fight. His argument is asinine, as there are almost 200 years of court precedent involving corporate personhood and what it does and doesn't mean.

A one-man corporation - which is an oxymoron - still wouldn't have the right to drive in the carpool lane.

A better challenge would have been to form a corporation with 9 of his friends, then take them to the local buffet and attempt to all eat for the price of one.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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He should have just said it was a "composite"person. Like Obama's composite girlfriend.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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He would be on more solid ground by claiming himself to be a state citizen.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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Default Corpersonhood

If a corporation is a person that can contribute to political camapigns does it commit corprocide if it puts another corporation out of business? Could this be considered corporate murder? Why should it not be considered an corporate killing?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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If a corporation is a person that can contribute to political camapigns does it commit corprocide if it puts another corporation out of business? Could this be considered corporate murder? Why should it not be considered an corporate killing?
One would have to first stipulate that the state of the corporation being in business causes it to be "alive".

Also, how would one define corpocide for corporations which exist for purposes other than doing business?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:47 AM
 
Location: San Francisco
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Frieman is an "activist" who went looking for a fight. His argument is asinine, as there are almost 200 years of court precedent involving corporate personhood and what it does and doesn't mean.

A one-man corporation - which is an oxymoron - still wouldn't have the right to drive in the carpool lane.

A better challenge would have been to form a corporation with 9 of his friends, then take them to the local buffet and attempt to all eat for the price of one.
I saw a news report about this, and apparently he had his incorporation papers on the passenger seat of his car. Which I suppose begs the question: what exactly is the physical representation of a corporate "person" anyway?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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... gets ticket, challenges it in court.

Marin man uses corporate personhood to fight carpool lane ticket - San Jose Mercury News



So, what do you free-market fundamentalists think? If a corporation is a person, shouldn't Frieman be let off without a fine?
I admire his moxy....but he doesn't stand a chance.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:53 AM
 
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A better challenge would have been to form a corporation with 9 of his friends, then take them to the local buffet and attempt to all eat for the price of one.
I like it!
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