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If you want to be angry at someone then you might want to start with the media since their shoddy reporting of the event and inconsistent stories with zero follow up are what is fueling the conspiracy theories and people in general, questioning what really happened.
Other reports say that six were found on Rosen's lawn. No names were provided for these students. All reports claim either 14 or 15 (another inconsistency) kids were in Soto's class so if 7 were found in the closet by police and six were killed trying to flee and another 6 were found on gene Rosen's lawn that would make 19. Do you see how this does not make sense?
Again, if you want to be angry about this then it might be more useful to direct your anger at the media who is obviously failing miserably at their jobs.
I'm not the one trying to hold up errors in the early rushed reporting in the chaos of the event with the "official version".
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.... the official story given thus far does not make any sense whatsoever.
I find is supremely bizarre that you aren't using the official story but rather a crappy early source....to say that the official story has holes in it.
Had you said that the early reporting was crappy (in the internet age it's report first and correct second) I would have agreed with you. However, it's not the fault of the police etc. that reporters are doing that and since we ALL know how bad the media has gotten with "breaking news" to then use the medias errors to cast aspersions on the "offical story" is complete and utter BS.
Had you said that the early reporting was crappy (in the internet age it's report first and correct second) I would have agreed with you. However, it's not the fault of the police etc. that reporters are doing that and since we ALL know how bad the media has gotten with "breaking news" to then use the medias errors to cast aspersions on the "offical story" is complete and utter BS.
Exactly. The same thing happened during 9/11.. hell at each big "event" disaster of the modern age. Early stories are full of errors, you need to wait for what gets written week and a half - 2 weeks later after the dust settles.
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Then why are you posting to this thread?
Anyone who blindly believes what the media vomits up, especially today's media, is the crazy one.
And believing the government faked the deaths of 20 children is not crazy at all. It hired 20 sets of parents and 6 sets of family members for the teachers and a school full of children/teacher witnesses to be in the building, and police and emergency personel to fake it. Nope, not crazy at all.
I'm not the one trying to hold up errors in the early rushed reporting in the chaos of the event with the "official version".
I find is supremely bizarre that you aren't using the official story but rather a crappy early source....to say that the official story has holes in it.
Had you said that the early reporting was crappy (in the internet age it's report first and correct second) I would have agreed with you. However, it's not the fault of the police etc. that reporters are doing that and since we ALL know how bad the media has gotten with "breaking news" to then use the medias errors to cast aspersions on the "offical story" is complete and utter BS.
But it's not just the early reports that don't make sense. The first report which said that none of Victoria Soto's students were harmed was posted late Saturday night, more then 24 hours after the shooting. Someone had to have been a source for that story, who? The next story was posted days later and it said that 7 of Soto's students were found by police, hiding in a closet and 6 were killed trying to flee. The reports of the number of students in her classroom range from 14 to 16 depending on which article you read. A class photo from her room shows 15 students in the picture. If 7 students were found hiding in the closet and 6 were killed in the classroom and 6 were found on Gene Rosen's front lawn then how many students were in the class? 19? That would not be true according to any source. It's simple math and obviously more to it then just faulty early reports coming out in the heat of the moment. Also, does it make sense that 6 children ran past the firehouse in favor of going to sit on a random person's lawn?
Exactly. The same thing happened during 9/11.. hell at each big "event" disaster of the modern age. Early stories are full of errors, you need to wait for what gets written week and a half - 2 weeks later after the dust settles.
And believing the government faked the deaths of 20 children is not crazy at all. It hired 20 sets of parents and 6 sets of family members for the teachers and a school full of children/teacher witnesses to be in the building, and police and emergency personel to fake it. Nope, not crazy at all.
Why bother watching the news at all if they can't be trusted to get their stories straight until a week and a half to two weeks later. You don't see a problem with not being able to trust the media to actually report factual information?
No one said anything here about the government faking deaths.
If you want to be angry at someone then you might want to start with the media since their shoddy reporting of the event and inconsistent stories with zero follow up are what is fueling the conspiracy theories and people in general, questioning what really happened.
That is a bit like being angry at Call of Duty (or that Norway shooter) to inspire this guy. . .to shoot.
You treat this as if we are dealing with rationale/qualitative evidence. Faith and belief in the Counter Narrative (or Conspiracy theory) doesn't require our media to be shoddy. When your cherry picking to confirm your world view. . .no matter how 100% the media gets it, these people will still cut/splice their way to evidence that supports their faith/belief.
The media sucks. They report quickly, not accurately. Yet anyone with 1/2 a brain knows this. . .but to a Counter Narrative faither, their response is "media is 100% accurate on minute 1, and then the government censors get to them"
Anyone who blindly believes what the media vomits up, especially today's media, is the crazy one.
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Why bother watching the news at all if they can't be trusted to get their stories straight until a week and a half to two weeks later. You don't see a problem with not being able to trust the media to actually report factual information?
No one said anything here about the government faking deaths.
You can watch but take it with a grain of salt. They won't get everything right in the early days because there is too much confusion. Even the police don't know the whole story yet and are likely not sharing everything they do know. Remeber them thinking Adam Lanza was his brother? Plus media people will stick a camera in the face of anyone who claims to know anything and won't have time to verify before they go live. Editors will want stories they can put on the web immediately to get hits. And if half the people you are talking to are traumatized kids... well there you go. We've been through this a thousand times already. Its just common sense.
It takes AT LEAST a few days for things to sort themselves out, and you can start to really trust every detail maybe a week later, maybe 2 if the story is really complicated. It always goes like this. This is not new.
That is a bit like being angry at Call of Duty (or that Norway shooter) to inspire this guy. . .to shoot.
You treat this as if we are dealing with rationale/qualitative evidence. Faith and belief in the Counter Narrative (or Conspiracy theory) doesn't require our media to be shoddy. When your cherry picking to confirm your world view. . .no matter how 100% the media gets it, these people will still cut/splice their way to evidence that supports their faith/belief.
The media sucks. They report quickly, not accurately. Yet anyone with 1/2 a brain knows this. . .but to a Counter Narrative faither, their response is "media is 100% accurate on minute 1, and then the government censors get to them"
I don't blame the media on this one. . .
"Counter narrative faither"? What the heck is that supposed to mean?
How exactly am I cherry picking when my concern is about the many many inconsistencies in reporting and not just the early reports. Do you understand what cherry picking means? I can tell you that it does not mean reading all reports and noticing that there are many many inconsistencies on just about every single detail.
Just because you are not concerned that the media is reporting inaccuracies and failing to follow up or correct misinformation, does not mean that everyone shares your apathy. Honest media is central to democracy. I'm really surprised that people don't seem to understand this simple fact.
You can watch but take it with a grain of salt. They won't get everything right in the early days because there is too much confusion. Even the police don't know the whole story yet and are likely not sharing everything they do know. Remeber them thinking Adam Lanza was his brother? Plus media people will stick a camera in the face of anyone who claims to know anything and won't have time to verify before they go live. Editors will want stories they can put on the web immediately to get hits. And if half the people you are talking to are traumatized kids... well there you go. We've been through this a thousand times already. Its just common sense.
It takes AT LEAST a few days for things to sort themselves out, and you can start to really trust every detail maybe a week later, maybe 2 if the story is really complicated. It always goes like this. This is not new.
OK, so you're not concerned that the media cannot be trusted? Well, I am. It's important.
Do you have an answer to the simple math question about there being between 14 and 16 children in Victoria Soto's class (why would the media not be able to get this straight, I have no idea?) yet according to the story we have been told, there had to have been at least 19 students from Soto's class at school that day?
Children are taught to go to fireman and police officers when they are in trouble, they are also taught not to talk to strangers. Why would they run right past the firehouse and go and sit on a stranger's lawn, going inside for hours to talk to him and play with his toys? Does that really make sense to anyone?
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