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Old 01-13-2013, 12:06 AM
 
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The owner is entitled to his own personal opinion obviously, but I find it incredibly rude and disgusting that he first accepted the money from the customers and then handed them the letter. Also, he might not agree with it, but he should keep his opinion to himself. No one cares what his opinion on the topic may or may not be.

Like I said, he's entitled to his opinion, but it really is a shame. Homosexuality and same-sex marriage are becoming more accepted all the time. Most Americans support it today, and the millennials overwhelmingly support it. It's only a matter of time before it's legal everywhere and is as much of a non-issue as interracial marriage is (at least, for 90% people). I just hope as we progress into the future, people like the restaurant owner don't drag on kicking and screaming the whole time and are just able to keep their opinions to themselves when in public.

 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:06 AM
 
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No, it's the same scenario. Who wants to tell you anything when you blow a gasket when people try to help you?
Help?

What 'help' do you think this restaurant owner was offering this young, happy, and obviously in love married lesbian couple?
 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:15 AM
 
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RVAtoCNC explained it very clearly, but I don't think you are willing to understand it. This is turning into a "pearls to the swines" conversation.
religious zealotry = ignorance + fear + irrationality + arrogance.
 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:37 AM
 
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The irony is their own judgements will bring about judgement on themselves. Want to condemn gays with Leviticus? You better dang well follow all 613 Mitzvah. Want to condemn gays with Paul's letters? Well, then Paul says you're gay and will not escape judgement.
Paul also wrote in 1 Cor 11:14: "Does not even nature itself teach you, that man, if he have long hair, it is a dishonour to him?"

The owner of the restaurant looks like he has long hair in a ponytail.

-He also has at least one tattoo (that I could see).
-His does business on the Sabbath instead of keeping it holy.
-He cooks and serves shellfish which are an 'abomination'.

Lack of hospitality and poor treatment of guests under one's roof is the sort of thing that got Sodom destroyed according to the story.

Guess that makes the owner of this restaurant a true Sodomite as well as a hypocrite.

Meanwhile, there is not even ONE line about married lesbian couples in the Bible.

(and to anyone who tries to quote Romans 1, don't bother, as it can easily be shown to have nothing to do with lesbians - according to the writings of early church fathers).
 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:44 AM
 
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OK - the atheists and agnostics killed millions for whatever reason. Just saying that people always have and always will kill other people, sometimes mass murder. Religion, or lack of same, has absolutely nothing to do with it, but we are straying from topic here.
Actually I believe it does, especially as you are trying to say that the owner was not intentionally being rude and offensive and was compelled by his religious beliefs. I like this quote:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." Steve Weinberg.
 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:45 AM
 
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Sounds like a typical Christian to me......cherry picking which teachings of the bible he chooses to follow.

.........and a very poor businessman.
Well, since there are contradictory passages in the Bible every Christian must pick which teachings to follow.
 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:46 AM
 
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Nothing rude about the letter at all. He would have been amiss if he had not done so - they needed to hear the truth and he likely wouldn't have had a clear conscience if he didn't communicate that they seek the Lord, receive forgiveness, and repent.

Thank God that he did.
Religious zealotry stops a thinking brain.
 
Old 01-13-2013, 12:50 AM
 
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Sounds like his intention was to help these spiritually lost people.
If that's spirituality, I want no part of it.
Hatred, the no. 1 christian value.

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He was only doing what he felt he was called to do, but some people are so easily offended that you can't say anything without offending them. But who knows, maybe one day these ladies will remember his words and seek God.
Why is it that christians always say love when they're acting with hatred.
 
Old 01-13-2013, 01:25 AM
 
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Everyone should watch the below video: both those who think that the restaurant owner was out of line - so that you may learn an important principle, and those who agree with the owner's actions - so that you may do something similar.

The man speaking is Penn Jillette - part of the illusionist act Penn & Teller. Mr. Jillette is an avowed atheist - in fact he affirms as much in this video.

A man came up to Penn after a show and handed him a Bible. Listen carefully to what Penn's opinion about the man's action:



The Gift of A Bible - YouTube

The man who gave Penn that Bible, and the restaurant owner who gave the ladies the note both cared enough about them to take the time to do so.

You don't have to agree with their message, but you certainly can't say that they were wrong.

To say so is to not love.
That's some pretty twisted thinking you've got going there. The man who gave Penn the Bible did not tell him that he was 'unnatural' and 'hurting everyone' around him just by existing and being who he was. He just gave him a Bible and was polite to him.

If the restaurant owner had just been polite to the young married couple and just said he wanted to give them a Bible, it wouldn't have been so rude or offensive- just a bit weird. However he wrote a note telling this young loving couple that they were 'unnatural' and were hurting everyone around them. Just because they happened to be lesbians. He knew nothing about them. He said his daughter was gay, so perhaps he has some personal issues he needs to work out. Using strangers to vent his ignorance and religious self-righteousness is not helping anyone.

What does he expect them to do with his nasty little hypocritical message? 'Pray away the gay'? Get divorced and break up their happy family (they have a young son) and find some male dupes to lie to and marry and live miserable lives with? Just to conform to someones ignorant and prejudiced interpretations of ancient scripture? They said they weren't church goers anyway. So why would they listen to an ignorant old hypocritical fool who can't spell and doesn't even follow his own religion himself?

This restaurant owner is deliberately breaking multiple Biblical commandments on a daily basis. Perhaps you need to go there on a daily basis and tell him not to open his business on the Sabbath, to get his tattoos lasered off, cut his hair short, only serve fish with fins and scales and not crab, lobster, shrimp etc in his seafood restaurant. All out of 'love' for his eternal soul of course. I'm sure he'd appreciate it and thank you for 'helping him.

The gospels say Jesus got rather irate with religious hypocrites and called them a "pit of vipers" and "blind fools" etc (Matt 23). Just sayin'. You know.... to be 'helpful'.

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Old 01-13-2013, 01:28 AM
 
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My question is, how did he know they were Lesbian and not just two friends having a meal? Was their conduct such that it made it obvious? If so then they got what they asked for.
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