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Old 01-29-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Perpetuality On Wheels
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Insurance is in essence a socialist policy that you count on other's money to solve your trouble. You depend on other's money, same as people depending on government money.
If you don't rely on any insurance , and all by yourself , you can then call yourself truly independent.

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Actually, all of human history says you are wrong.

If I had private insurance that covered Sandy damage and you were waiting on the government to fix your place you'd be the one out of luck.

There are FEMA trailers meant for Katrina victims still sitting in storage in Arkansas.

And I could move in faster if I didn't have to sit around for weeks or months waiting on some government inspector to tell me my house is safe, something I already determined.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:06 PM
 
Location: San Diego California
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All salespersons, journalists, police officers, and clergy persons are in the top 1%? Um... no. Your post = FAIL.
I did not make up that list Einstein, it was composed by physiatrists and physiologists.
If you had ever read any book besides the millionaire next door, perhaps you would have some vague understanding of how people and the world actually work.
There is a direct correlation between intelligence and wealth.
Even when stupid people somehow stumble into a situation where they acquire some degree of wealth, they rarely are able to keep it because the psychopaths smell fresh meat and relieve them of it.
So continue to fantasize about getting rich, and derive whatever happiness you can from your fantacy, but make no mistake, the wealthy are made up of ruthless big dogs, and you do not have what it takes to run with them.
You are far too naive for me to spend any more time attempting to educate.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:06 PM
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Location: Florida
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I suppose folks can consider anything other than taking what you want at the end of a gun to be "socialist".
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:17 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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I did not make up that list Einstein, it was composed by physiatrists and physiologists.
My point stands. Salespersons, journalists, police officers, clergy persons, and chefs are in the top 10 of the most psychopaths by profession, but NOT all persons of such professions are in the top 1% of wealth.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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They're not slaves. They're PAID workers.Not just me, ANY business owner. And they should care because the value of their labor/contribution to their employer establishes the amount they are paid.
Why are they paid workers? Why do workers need to sell their arses in order to get access to basics survival means? A bison calf doesn't pay tribute to an alpha bison in order to get access to the grass. Why do workers require to serve the opulent middle men (who hold their meal tickets) in order to get fed? Why they can't feed themselves? The answer is obvious because 10% owns most of everything. Technically, a peon has no right to occupy any space in the lad of the free ("public" or private) free of charge, it's illegal, you either own it, conduct business there or pay a user fee. Air in your lungs in the only substance you don't pay a rent for to the wealthy.

FREE people couldn't care less about the potential values of their wage slaving skills in the eyes of employers.

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Good. Buy less. Live within your means. That's the first step to becoming wealthy and understanding that it's not inequality that is causing the wealth gap, it's how people handle their life and financial decisions.
Owning class/Capital controls labor using money and wages. Who controls money supply & wages? Don't give me crap about mysterious market forces, specific people with proper names define money supply and set wages.

How can you live within your means if you don't even know what those means would be tomorrow? You control nothing what affect your life, you know little, you don't even know what you don't know what would affect your means tomorrow. Every dollar in your pocket is created as debt of somebody to somebody else.

There are no wealthy without poor ones. Concentrated "wealth" is a result of a few appropriating fruits of labors of the many. What's your point exactly? Everyone can make it, everyone has a chance? So? Everyone has a chance to win a lottery. The point is - most would lose to make fortunes of a few. Why black&white, slaves&slave owners are our the only choices? Why becoming "wealthy" is my the only alternative to being a slave?

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The wealthy make good decisions. The poor make bad decisions. Even someone who inherits a fortune can lose it all by making bad decisions.
If slaves blame themselves for their lot in life, they don't revolt against oppressive regimes that set rules of the game. Thus, elites can maximize their bottom line since slaves do their own policing & mind control. Ingenious scheme.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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psychological manipulation, as well as fear and class division, is a political tactic.
yep, psychological manipulation, as well as fear and class division, a political tactic and we seen plenty of that from Democrats this past election. The war on woman was pitiful and an embarrassment to women.

Attacking "American" people with the war on the rich. Now the rich live in a country that the politicians encourage hatred toward then expect them to employ the people and give raises. Ask a poor person.. if having money is so evil then why they played the lottery. People make lots of money selling drugs and if making money is so evil then why don't' they stop selling the stuff.

Oh and then we had the use of the word racism. If anyone disagreed with a liberal they called you a racist which was simply a form manipulation ... an attempt to put their opponent on defense and an attempt shut the opponent up.

Democrats used a lot of psychological manipulation to divide this country and instill hatred toward other Americans. They also used fear mongering with the fake war on women.

Amazing how easily the left was able to manipulate people.

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Old 01-29-2013, 02:36 PM
 
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yep, psychological manipulation, as well as fear and class division, a political tactic and we seen plenty of that from Democrats this past election. The war on woman was pitiful and an embarrassment to women.

Attacking "American" people with the war on the rich. Now the rich live in a country that the politicians encourage hatred toward then expect them to employ the people and give raises. Ask a poor person.. if having money is so evil then why they played the lottery in the first place. People make lots of money selling drugs and if making money is so evil then why don't' they stop selling the stuff.

Oh and then we had the use of the word racism. If anyone disagreed with a liberal they called you a racist which was simply a form manipulation ... an attempt to put their opponent on defense and an attempt shut the opponent up.

Democrats used a lot of psychological manipulation to divide this country and instill hatred toward other Americans. They also used fear mongering with the fake war on women.

Amazing how easily the left was able to manipulate people.
Employee and employers, slaves and slave owners, peons and masters... we are just one big happy family. Class division is real, you don't need to do anything to create it. Masters and slaves have almost 180 degrees opposite interests. It takes a lot of propaganda and mind control for the peons not to pay attention to those facts of life.

If you employ anyone you employ them to make your life (much) better financially. You don't employ to provide public service. It doesn't matter how wonderful, smart, hardworking and clever you think you are, you still need wage slaves to have a shot on some measure of wealth. Wealth= A few appropriating fruits of labors of the many. Simple.
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Old 01-29-2013, 02:48 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Why are they paid workers? Why do workers need to sell their arses in order to get access to basics survival means? A bison calf doesn't pay tribute to an alpha bison in order to get access to the grass. Why do workers require to serve the opulent middle men (who hold their meal tickets) in order to get fed?
They don't. They are free to work for themselves. Not sure why many more don't in fact, do so.

I'm self-employed. So are many other members here on C-D.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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Yes, I'm well-aware that there are a very small minority of people who have worked hard and smart, made sacrifices, lived below their means, made good life and financial decisions, saved, invested, and became wealthy. The vast majority of people CHOOSE to NOT do those things. Therefore, they aren't wealthy. That's nothing new.
It's 100% nonsense. You do NOT get to be "wealthy" (in 99% of the cases) by working hard. A good sized hemorrhoid will be your the only wealth if you work hard alone. Wanna try to manufacture $1 billions worth of the cool aid bottles. Good luck. The only way to the wealth - making others to work hard for you (this includes investments) and/or disproportionately benefiting of labors of others (like in a case of the managerial caste that makes millions one way or another). It takes certain proclivities and personality traits for one to utilize successfully labors of others to build their wealth. People are not equal in this regard, some people have 0% of what it takes. Unfortunately, people with less than desirable qualities (like complete or partial lack of empathy) frequently have a comparative advantage in exploiting of others, especially in the lower skilled industries.

Why they propagandists don't instill the idea that everyone can be an Olympic champion if he tries hard? Because it's obvious nonsense. Yet, it's universally accepted that everyone has a chance in the wealth accumulating Olympics in he plays his card right. You really think so? The only way to even out the playing field, is to undermine the system of wage slavery. Nobody should make his employment decisions under pressure of homelessness and hunger. This way society would select the most socially adequate opulent individuals to shower with disproportionate share of wealth.
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Old 01-29-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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It's 100% nonsense. You do NOT get to be "wealthy" (in 99% of the cases) by working hard.
In fact, you do. 80% of millionaires are first-generation wealthy. 60% of the Forbes 400 richest Americans also didn't inherit their wealth. That statistic holds true even with the top 10 richest Americans. 6 of the 10 didn't inherit their wealth.

Working hard and smart, making sacrifices, living below one's means, making good life and financial decisions, saving, and investing are all hard to do. We know that because so few choose to do so. That's why they comprise only 1% of the population.
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