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Old 01-26-2013, 11:59 AM
 
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I agree with the taxes and spending, including decreasing military spending, but don't agree with #3. I'd like to see Republicans become more socially liberal while staying fiscally conservative, although they love to spend sometimes too. I think they'd get more votes. It's hypocritical to preach small government but then try to force your religious beliefs on others. It's none of my business if a chick wants to get an abortion or some gay dudes wanna get married.
The social issues actually have a major impact on elections. And, social issues are also linked to economic issues. i.e. illegal immigration: When we do not enforce our immigration laws, we end up with more entitlements, more crime, higher unemployment, etc. Thus, a weaker economy. When libs decide to give away free stuff to millions of people (legal or illegal) then the taxpayers pay more. When abortions, birth control, gay marriage is all endorsed by the US gov't then those "rights" have to be paid for by taxpayers.
tax money should only be used for essential services for the good of all citizens. Gay marriage, illegal immigrants, and abortions are not in that category.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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Apparently you haven't. 1) Thou shalt not kill does not exist in the Bible. The mitzvah is "Thou Shalt Not Murder", and Murder in Hebrew has a specific connotation. Seeing as you are quoting Jewish law, Abortion is not a crime under the Torah (which is where that mitzvah comes from). In fact, in Biblical days, children weren't even considered viable humans until 1 month after birth. Judaism as a whole discourages abortion for frivolous reasons, however, the Talmud quite bluntly states, if necessary, the fetus should be ripped out of its mother limb from limb.

2) Marriage is not 1 man 1 woman. It meant countless things in the Bible, including polygamy and incest. Marriage is also an english word. Marriage does not exist in the original scriptures. And the concept predates religion.

Same-sex marriage has existed for thousands, even sanctioned by the Church. And yes, throughout history, people have been wrong for hundreds of years. The Church used to absolutely swear the Sun revolved around the Earth. They were 100% wrong for most of their history.

You have no clue what you're talking about. Stop speaking about Biblical law, when you haven't the foggiest clue what it means. You are the epitome of a religious extremist. Bible thumping with no clue what the Bible means.
nice try, but I'm not buying your bs.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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Yes, laws can be wrong... Funny how when the abortion issue is questioned, the libs want to say "Roe vs Wade" Why can't that law be changed? You can't have it both ways.
And, as president, it is not Obamas job to decide which laws to enforce or not. He has intentionally enforced some laws while intentionally not enforcing others. His true colors have been seen, and they are NOT red, white & blue.
Luckily, legislation have gone in the GENERAL direction of equality for American citizens. Black people are no longer enslaved, where once abortion was illegal it no longer is, and gays are allowed to get married in more and more states.

Thank goodness is all I have to say.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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It is 40 years old nationally, older in 20 plus states, and the GOP wing nuts cemented Roe v Wade in 2012 via a radical platform rejected by the majority. By 2016, Obama would have replaced at least one Justice. Hillary will likely replace 1 or 2. That means, for this issue, it is long past time to simply not take an official position. Not every issue requires one, taking one here has been counter-productive.
Not taking an official position is a cop-out. This has killed many presidential candidates (i.e. John Kerry)
People need to know where a candidate stands on these important issues. Why do you think that Santorum did so well in the primaries? Now, I'm not saying that a bible thumping preacher is what we need. But, after 8 years of liberal (immoral) policies, the country will be ready for a real change.
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Old 01-26-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Now that Obama has started his 2nd (and last term, what do you think the GOP should do?
I personally think they should stick to their guns (no pun intended) regarding the core issues
1. taxes
2. debt ceiling/spending
3. Abortion/religious rights

Everyone knows that Obama is a lame duck now. The 2014 mid-terms should be the turning point for the country (and both parties)
The party that clearly defines their position on the issues will win the mid-terms. And the party who wins the mid-terms will likely win the presidency in 2016.
Any thoughts?
The GOP have controlled the House, where all appropriation bills originate, since 2011. Yet they continue to pass Continuing Resolutions, Continuing Appropriations, Supplemental and Omnibus bills with deficits in excess of a trillion dollars. They have yet to pass any budget, just like the Democrats before them.

I have seen absolutely no evidence that the GOP are any more fiscally responsible than the Democrats.

Why would any sane individual vote for a Republican or a Democrat when they both have demonstrated a willingness to bankrupt the nation?
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Old 01-26-2013, 03:22 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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Now that Obama has started his 2nd (and last term, what do you think the GOP should do?
I personally think they should stick to their guns (no pun intended) regarding the core issues
1. taxes
2. debt ceiling/spending
3. Abortion/religious rights

Everyone knows that Obama is a lame duck now. The 2014 mid-terms should be the turning point for the country (and both parties)
The party that clearly defines their position on the issues will win the mid-terms. And the party who wins the mid-terms will likely win the presidency in 2016.
Any thoughts?
The number one thing they must do is make sure Obama and the democrats own Obama's agenda and the results that occur because of that agenda. This is obviously more difficult than it sounds, but this is the number one priority. Public confidence is already at a 40 year low and we are just starting Obama's second term. The economic stagnation is sure to continue, with dwindling incomes and standards of living to go with it, while the debt spirals out of control.
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Old 01-26-2013, 04:41 PM
 
Location: NJ
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People need to know where a candidate stands on these important issues. .
Why?

Like i said, now that the GOP imploded, by 2020, the SCOTUS will be friendly to Roe for decades to come.

So how does his/her position affect anything?
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:16 PM
 
Location: St. Louis
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They have yet to pass any budget, just like the Democrats before them.?
You might have a point if you weren't wrong.

Of course the house passed a budget. Perhaps you recall hearing something about Paul Ryan's budget that was passed by the house and adopted by Romney in his campaign?

It turned out to be bad politics, perhaps, but don't say they didn't pass a budget when they did. Reid and the democrats were smart like foxes - they didn't pass a budget of their own, and they voted 97-0 not to take up Obama's budget (which was really a speech), but they could tell you why Ryan's budget would starve old people, women, orphans and puppy dogs.
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Old 01-26-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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The party that clearly defines their position on the issues will win the mid-terms. And the party who wins the mid-terms will likely win the presidency in 2016.
Any thoughts?
The Republicans whooped the Democrats in 2010. By the same logic, Romney should have won the last election. What happened?
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:38 AM
 
Location: west mich
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Yes, laws can be wrong... Funny how when the abortion issue is questioned, the libs want to say "Roe vs Wade" Why can't that law be changed? You can't have it both ways.
And, as president, it is not Obamas job to decide which laws to enforce or not. He has intentionally enforced some laws while intentionally not enforcing others. His true colors have been seen, and they are NOT red, white & blue.
Don't just throw stuff out there. What laws are under Obama's enforcement control?
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