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The man Harrison J. Bounel has been dead and would be 120 years old if alive today. Why is the SS Administration denying access to a FOIA request to a dead man?
They're not. They're denying access to the information for the person whose SSN was provided; Barack Obama.
The term "sovereign citizen" is an oxymoron. To be a "citizen" must admit that one is subject to the rule of law, which is the prerogative of state sovereignty. To be "sovereign" admits no superior rule.
Wow! My how clueless you really are, or are you just playing dumb for the debate?
The sovereignties in Europe, and particularly in England, exist on feudal principles. That system considers the prince as the sovereign, and the people as his subjects; it regards his person as the object of allegiance...
No such ideas obtain here; at the revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country, but they are sovereigns without subjects... and have none to govern but themselves...
This means..... Each individual, at least so far as respects his unalienable rights is his own sovereign.
These rights weren't given to any government. In fact, they can't be.
Perhaps you can give up all of your rights, if you so choose, but who has the power to give your rights up for you?
In America, no one can, because we're all equal. In American this principle of popular sovereign is recognized by all governments - state and federal.
When the states became independent, the state governments were formed, all of them based on the authority of the people, and not the will of one man or a small body of men. The federal government as we know it today was created in 1789 when the federal constitution went into effect.
The constitution mentioned something previously unknown in American law:
Citizenship of the United States:
The term, citizens of the United States, must be understood to intend those who were citizens of a state, as such, after the Union had commenced, and the several states had assumed their sovereignties. Before this period there was no citizen of the United States...
Manchester v. Boston, Massachusetts Reports, Vol. 16, Page 235
(1819)
This brings us to what are considered as being the rights inherent in Citizenship in America
Wendell, please explain how Harrison J. Bounel and Obama are tied together with the same social security number?
A bad database. There is only a single record that has ever associated the name Bounel with Obama's SSN. There are scores that associate it with Obama.
What happened to the rest of this guy's life if this was actually his SSN?
That's right--I read your link and it follows what I checked myself pretty closely. Anyone with an Ancestry.com membership who has a little experience with genealogy searches could track down the same thing--there was never a Harrison J. Bounel (or any other form of the name) living in Chicago in 1940, and just as there's no connection to Connecticut for the people with that name or soundex (names that sound like) searches.
The entire thing is made up. Again--I laughed my head off when the link these guys posted showed the Harry Bounel in the Bronx that they're trying to pass off as part of the Cooke County IL census, because it's a photo copy of the actual census record from 1940 NYC cut off at the top and to the right so that none of the identifying information (location, place of birth, etc.)would show.
Look. Nobody is saying he was in the Cook County Census. Where are you getting that from? I never said in the OP that he was in the 1940 Illinois census either. In fact, not one person has said that. The question is why is this guy tied to Barack and Michelle in the data bases using Obama's Connecticut SS number?
Not about the discovery of the guy in the 1940 census. That new information was released early this morning confirming the guy having the same SS number that Obama has had actually existed.
There is no evidence this is the same guy, or that he had Obama's SSN.
So what if he is a immigrant. What has that have to do with anything? The key is the 1890 birthdate. The whole census can be seen in my OP and zoomed in on.
I missed the census sheet in your link earlier--it's the same one that I found--which makes the whole thing even dumber. You've found one random person with a name that's CLOSE to what you're claiming (same person I found) but absolutely no connection to the location or any of the other information, and that's what you're basing this whole thing on?
The 1890 birthday is the key. I sense Doc is exercising caution on this one according to his update.
there is nothing to the 1890 claim.
boy you are surely firing on all of your old claims today. the 1890 date was an artifact from a search done by Susan Daniels, from databases on their own website that stated that the information provided cannot be confirmed as correct.
and we know from susan daniels that the SS# was issued in in 1977 or 1978 which would make bounel 87 years old before receiving a SS#.
we also know from obama's selective service registration (the illegally acquired one without the SS# redacted) that he was using the number in 1980. we also know from the poorly redacted tax return that obama was using the number into the 2000's. we also know there is no listing for that number in the SS death index.
so this is how your scenario currently plays out:
harry j. bounel waits till he's 87 then applies for a SS# but gives a CT return address. obama begins using this number within the next 3years and continues to use this number for the next 30+ years. then either:
A): no official announcement of harry's death has reached the SS administration.
B): the SS administration have "scrubbed" the connection between harry and the number.
C): harry is not dead but simply one of the "undead" and he hasn't noticed that orly taitz and multiple other birthers have been splashing his SS# all over the interwebz for the past 2-3 years.
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