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Old 02-03-2013, 12:07 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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First rule of holes, F'er. Stop digging.
did you dig a lot of holes when you worked in vaccine development?
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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Just to be clear, there would be winners if these policies were implemented. There would also be many losers. Just like implementing socialism would have many winners/losers.

So these are not solutions, merely a different system. If ideologically you cannot justify any system except for this one, fine. But it is not a solution, just a different way of doing things.

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Old 02-03-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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anyone other than myself get that certain sense of schadenfreude reading someone calling themselves rebell14 rambling about government and taxes considering the utter failure of the confederate states to feed, cloth or even arm their army because of the various states of the confederacy refusing to support the central government...by paying with taxes?
qft.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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did you dig a lot of holes when you worked in vaccine development?
No, he/she was helping save lives.

You, on the other hand, are still deluded with the notion that vaccine developments are purely individual endeavors.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:23 PM
 
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No, he/she was helping save lives.

You, on the other hand, are still deluded with the notion that vaccine developments are purely individual endeavors.
Well everyone knows that the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control are a figment of our left wing imaginations.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:27 PM
 
Location: City of Angels
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Well everyone knows that the National Institute of Health and the Center for Disease Control are a figment of our left wing imaginations.
they are terrorists and oppressors. society - oops i mean individuals - would be better off without them.
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Old 02-03-2013, 12:53 PM
 
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Do your research. In addition to receiving the benefit of public education, these individuals all received nontrivial amounts of government mandated funding.

In a libertarian society, scientific advancement would come to a virtual standstill. Nearly 50% of conservatives have professed to not "believing" in science - they will doubtlessly raise their children (in this new homeschooling/local schooling system) in a similar manner.
Total nonsense. The greatest inventor of all time ... Nicola Tesla was not operating on government grants. And neither was Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, and many other 18th, 19th, and early 20th century inventors who created the foundation of our technology driven society, all produced with their own personal, and private funding.

There was no Federal Department of Transportation that funded the rail road system, stretching coast to coast and allowing the expanse of towns and cities across vast areas of virtually endless wilderness. Henry Ford didn't create the automobile with a government grant ... but government involvement in creating the Central Banking scheme which created this ponzi scheme of false investment sure led to the bankruptcy and bail out of General Motors.

The claim that 50% of conservatives do not believe in science is such an absurdity that I should not even honor it with a response ... but it's pure nonsensical blather .. and I'll leave it at that.

Finally ... anyone who claims that "Libertarianism" is defined by 10 things, is a blathering idiot ... as there never has been a universal consensus regarding any particular ideology or philosophy ... it's completely brain dead to even suggest such a thing.

If you asked a 1000 people what libertarianism is, or conservatism, or liberalism, or communism, or socialism ... you'd likely get 1000 different definitions, but you'd never in a Million years get just one or two.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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you don't think employers have the right to hire who they want? or landlords have the right to rent to who they want?
No, they don't have the right to hire or rent to whomever they choose. The federal government removed those rights of free association.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:08 PM
 
Location: Planet earth
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Because libertarianism requires the ideologue to have an extreme case of unwarranted self importance along with a healthy dose of narcissism in order to truly believe it. The belief is that a societal shake-up will allow their ascent in the new class structure. They have no use for society as expressed through its social contract- government and consider it a hindrance. But instead of just opting out for an environment more in line with their principles, or operate within the rules that have been agreed upon by society, they choose to demand acquiescence and capitulation from said society. They seek not liberty, but the opportunity to tyrannize others- become a new ruling class. Why? Because its human nature. Or maybe I am too cynical...
Yes, you are being too cynical.
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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This would be a disaster in practice, for so many reasons.

Having no welfare state would quickly create a society much like Haiti or Guatemala, with a super-rich elite and millions mired in poverty. Eliminating income taxes would basically shut down the entire society.There would be no money available to provide any public services or even maintain basic physical infrastructure. The current value of all the gold mined in all of human history isn't even half the value of the US economy alone. Going on some kind of gold standard would instantly impoverish billions of people, as their assets became worthless.

It will never happen, for the simple reason that corporate America won't let it. There is not a single major industry in this country, from agribusiness to aerospace, that doesn't depend for its very existence on massive public subsidies.
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