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Old 02-05-2013, 05:12 AM
 
Location: England
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This is why the Argentine government is making aggressive noises about the Falkland Islands again. Same as 30 years ago, a distraction for the population. Get them all worked up about some god forsaken little islands in the middle of nowhere. Stops them thinking about things that really matter.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:52 AM
 
Location: Tennessee
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LMAO...hey conservatives? Cat gotcha tongue?

I guess they forgot that Nixon was a real person and not a figment of American imagination.

Left wing attempt? Yea...right.
Nixon was a Republican, not a conservative.

Gave us the EPA.

Open Door to China

Proposed requiring businesses to provide health insurance and subsidize those that couldn't afford it.

Proposed guaranteed income for all Americans.

Championed affirmative action and employment quotas.

Gave us OSHA.

Supported the Equal Rights Amendment.

Supported The Clean Air Act.

Pro big government and government spending.

Richard Nixon -- the last great liberal | Fox News

Richard Nixon: America’s Greatest Liberal

Daily Kos: Nixon: more liberal than Obama?
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Orlando
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Nixon was anything but a conservative.

FDR froze wages, bringing in the era of health insurance in lieu of wages.

FDR unconstitutionally took thousands of Japanese American citizens and placed them in camps.

FDR put many. many small companies out of business due to price controls.

Pick and choose as you may.....lefties actually act unconstitutionally far more frequently than conservatives.
When you find a republican president who ever reached these same levels of unconstitutionality, let me know.
When you only look to support your opinion you end up with a false reality.

Acts under W:
Politicization of the Dept of Justice
The Patriot Act'
Suspension of Habeous Corpus
Detention, Enhanced Interrogation
Warrantless Domestic Surveillance
The Leak of a Covert CIA Identity
Failure "to defend the Constitution"
Subversion of the right to vote

btw - under Lincoln he suspended habeas corpus,
during and after WW1 free speech was suppressed
war dissidents had their phones tapped.

Realize too W did his acts in 8 years vs 14 for FDR buy recall it was W that said the Constitution was just a GD piece of paper, Alberto Gonzales, the attorney Heneral under W said "the Constitution is an outdated document" and can we forget...Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says he cringes when someone calls the Constitution a “living document.”

Yet it is the repugs that want to claim the left is out to undermine the Constitution. As always it isn't facts that matter to them


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Old 02-05-2013, 08:57 AM
 
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Originally Posted by alphamale View Post
Nixon was anything but a conservative.

FDR froze wages, bringing in the era of health insurance in lieu of wages.

FDR unconstitutionally took thousands of Japanese American citizens and placed them in camps.

FDR put many. many small companies out of business due to price controls.

Pick and choose as you may.....lefties actually act unconstitutionally far more frequently than conservatives.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...C0kBs8039DsCNg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...nnWqmnH-lZdZIg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...hJ93GJrSAejZ-Q

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...GBw46017FxWxcg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...D6PDlwHyN9kppg

When you find a republican president who ever reached these same levels of unconstitutionality, let me know.
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Originally Posted by LauraC View Post
Nixon was a Republican, not a conservative.

Gave us the EPA.

Open Door to China

Proposed requiring businesses to provide health insurance and subsidize those that couldn't afford it.

Proposed guaranteed income for all Americans.

Championed affirmative action and employment quotas.

Gave us OSHA.

Supported the Equal Rights Amendment.

Supported The Clean Air Act.

Pro big government and government spending.

Richard Nixon -- the last great liberal | Fox News

Richard Nixon: America’s Greatest Liberal

Daily Kos: Nixon: more liberal than Obama?
What is it with you folks that have two right wings?

Every time one of your "R" presidents leave office with the country in a mess, you start proclaiming that he wasn't a "real conservative" and that we libs simply don't know the difference.

Well the country is more than a couple hundred years old by now...and i'm getting tired of hearing it. When are you guys gonna get around to nominating a REAL CONSERVATIVE so we can see what the damn thing looks like? Because these rumours that this animal actually exists are becoming a joke. Can we see this guy, pretty please?

I mean, gimme a break...Ike, Reagan, Nixon, Ford, both Bush's...all not real conservatives....after the fact of course.

This "real conservative" nonsense is beginning to take on Bigfoot sighting proportions. Does NatGeo have to go out and do a documentary called "In Search of a Real Conservative?" Where is this animal...hidden in a bunker somewhere?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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So with frozen prices the supermarkets are all going to absorb the increases at the wholesale end ?
Geeze..how long will they be able to stay in business with a model like that ?
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:01 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, LA
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Louisiana recently raided a grocery store because they were selling milk below market prices, set by lobbyists.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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So with frozen prices the supermarkets are all going to absorb the increases at the wholesale end ?
Geeze..how long will they be able to stay in business with a model like that ?
The goods will start disappearing from the shelves and will end up in the black market or merely smuggled across the borders.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Fredericktown,Ohio
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I remember the speech Nixon gave announcing the wage and price freeze it was a monumental event at our house. My dad threw a glass ash tray at the T V and broke it, he hated Nixon with passion.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:06 PM
 
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Lol ask the farmers in Argentina if there is a free market. Look that up.

Argentine farmers begin anti-government strike
Oh...so heavily subsidized American farmers are really exposed to a true free market?
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Bush.

George W. Bush is following in the footsteps of his predecessors, but may have left more tracks. For starters, invading another country on false pretenses is grounds for impeachment. Also, the Fourth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution essentially says that the people have the right to be secure against unreasonable government searches and seizures and that no search warrants shall be issued without probable cause that a crime has been committed. And the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) requires that warrants for national security wiretaps be authorized by the secret FISA court. The law says that it is a crime for government officials to conduct electronic surveillance outside the exclusive purviews of that law or the criminal wiretap statute. President Bush’s authorization of the monitoring of Americans’ e-mails and phone calls by the National Security Agency (NSA) without even the minimal protection of FISA court warrants is clearly unconstitutional and illegal. Executive searches without judicial review violate the unique checks and balances that the nation’s founders created in the U.S. government and are a considerable threat to American liberty. Furthermore, surveillance of Americans by the NSA, an intelligence service rather than a law enforcement agency, is a regression to the practices of the Vietnam-era, when intelligence agencies were misused to spy on anti-war protesters—another impeachable violation of peoples’ constitutional rights by LBJ and Nixon.

President Bush defiantly admits initiating such flagrant domestic spying but contends that the Congress implicitly authorized such activities when it approved the use of force against al Qaeda and that such actions fit within his constitutional powers as commander-in-chief. But the founders never intended core principles of the Constitution to be suspended during wartime. In fact, they realized that it was in times of war and crisis that constitutional protections of the people were most at risk of usurpation by politicians, who purport to defend American freedom while actually undermining it.

The Bush administration’s FBI has also expanded its use of national security letters to examine the personal records of tens of thousands of Americans who are not suspected of being involved in terrorism or even illegal acts.

Apparently the president is also taking us back to the Vietnam era by monitoring anti-war protesters. Information on peaceful anti-war demonstrations has apparently found its way into Pentagon databases on possible threats to U.S. security.

Finally, the president’s policies on detainees in the “war on terror” probably qualify as impeachable offenses. The Bush administration decided that the “war on terror” exempted it from an unambiguous criminal law and international conventions (which are also the law of the land) preventing torture and inhumane treatment of prisoners. An American president permitting torture is both disgraceful and ineffective in getting good information from those held. Furthermore, the administration concocted the fictitious category of “enemy combatants” to deprive detainees of the legal protections of either the U.S. courts or “prisoner-of-war” status. The administration then tried to detain these enemy combatants, some of them American citizens, indefinitely without trial, access to counsel, or the right to have courts to review their cases.

All of these actions are part of President Bush’s attempt to expand the power of presidency during wartime—as if the imperial presidency hadn’t been expanded enough by his recent predecessors. President Bush usually gets the Attorney General or the White House Counsel to agree with his usurpation of congressional and judicial powers, but, of course, who in the executive is going to disagree with their boss? According to the Washington Post, the Bush administration describes the president’s war making power under the Constitution as “plenary”—meaning absolute. The founders would roll over in their graves at this interpretation of a document that was actually designed to limit the presidential war power, resulting from their revulsion at the way European monarchs easily took their countries to war and foisted the costs—in blood and treasure—on their people. Conservative Bob Barr, a former Congressman from Georgia who was quoted in the Post, said it best: “The American people are going to have to say, ‘Enough of this business of justifying everything as necessary for the war on terror.’ Either the Constitution and the laws of this country mean something or they don’t. It is truly frightening what is going on in this country.”
This thread is about price controls, not foreign policy.
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