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Old 02-05-2013, 07:38 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
Pretty much.

Cuz you can best believe that the OP doesn't give a damn about the price of apples in Argentina. I really can't figure out what the point of this thread is.

Of course, he forgot (if he knew it at all) that the last president in THIS country that instituted price controls was a right-wing,, conservative Republican.

So the whole "leftist" b.s. was a rotten premise to start the thread on in the first place.
Price controls and the Left:

Middle-of-the-Road Policy Leads to Socialism


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The government believes that the price of a definite commodity, e.g., milk, is too high. It wants to make it possible for the poor to give their children more milk. Thus it resorts to a price ceiling and fixes the price of milk at a lower rate than that prevailing on the free market. The result is that the marginal producers of milk, those producing at the highest cost, now incur losses. As no individual farmer or businessman can go on producing at a loss, these marginal producers stop producing and selling milk on the market. They will use their cows and their skill for other more profitable purposes. They will, for example, produce butter, cheese or meat. There will be less milk available for the consumers, not more. This, or course, is contrary to the intentions of the government. It wanted to make it easier for some people to buy more milk. But, as an outcome of its interference, the supply available drops. The measure proves abortive from the very point of view of the government and the groups it was eager to favor. It brings about a state of affairs, which?again from the point of view of the government?is even less desirable than the previous state of affairs which it was designed to improve.

Now, the government is faced with an alternative. It can abrogate its decree and refrain from any further endeavors to control the price of milk. But if it insists upon its intention to keep the price of milk below the rate the unhampered market would have determined and wants nonetheless to avoid a drop in the supply of milk, it must try to eliminate the causes that render the marginal producers' business unremunerative. It must add to the first decree concerning only the price of milk a second decree fixing the prices of the factors of production necessary for the production of milk at such a low rate that the marginal producers of milk will no longer suffer losses and will therefore abstain from restricting output. But then the same story repeats itself on a remoter plane. The supply of the factors of production required for the production of milk drops, and again the government is back where it started. If it does not want to admit defeat and to abstain from any meddling with prices, it must push further and fix the prices of those factors of production which are needed for the production of the factors necessary for the production of milk. Thus the government is forced to go further and further, fixing step by step the prices of all consumers' goods and of all factors of production?both human, i.e., labor, and material?and to order every entrepreneur and every worker to continue work at these prices and wages. No branch of industry can be omitted from this all-round fixing of prices and wages and from this obligation to produce those quantities which the government wants to see produced. If some branches were to be left free out of regard for the fact that they produce only goods qualified as non-vital or even as luxuries, capital and labor would tend to flow into them and the result would be a drop in the supply of those goods, the prices of which government has fixed precisely because it considers them as indispensable for the satisfaction of the needs of the masses.

But when this state of all-round control of business is attained, there can no longer be any question of a market economy. No longer do the citizens by their buying and abstention from buying determine what should be produced and how. The power to decide these matters has devolved upon the government. This is no longer capitalism; it is all-round planning by the government, it is socialism.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:41 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Have you guys forgotten, or are you too young to remember and didn't pay attention in history class, that we had a price freeze here in the U.S., imposed by a conservative Republican president?
Nixon wasn't a conservative, he was a globalist commie just like the rest we've had for a long time...
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:43 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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So what exactly is your issue or the point of this thread? I get that Argentina is just a front with for a point you are trying to make, but I am not sure I get where you are trying to go. Are you upset that milk isn't allowed to be priced with how the market dictates it to be or something? You upset people can afford milk or something?
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Niagara Falls ON.
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Nixon was anything but a conservative.

FDR froze wages, bringing in the era of health insurance in lieu of wages.

FDR unconstitutionally took thousands of Japanese American citizens and placed them in camps.

FDR put many. many small companies out of business due to price controls.

Pick and choose as you may.....lefties actually act unconstitutionally far more frequently than conservatives.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...C0kBs8039DsCNg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...nnWqmnH-lZdZIg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...hJ93GJrSAejZ-Q

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...GBw46017FxWxcg

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...D6PDlwHyN9kppg

When you find a republican president who ever reached these same levels of unconstitutionality, let me know.
GW Idiot Bush, Abraham Lincoln. These two come to mind as examples far far worse than FDR for the most fundamental constitutional concept of them all. FREEDOM.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Nixon wasn't a conservative, he was a globalist commie just like the rest we've had for a long time...
Just cause Nixon tarnished the Republican name doesn't make him a Commie, unless you are trying to say all the Republican voters that put him in office were Commies too.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Absolutely true.

But then now that we're easily able to poke holes in Reagan's conservative bonafides, now conservatives are saying that even Reagan wasn't a conservative. And of course, looking at his tenure, one can see why many say that.

So again, when are we gonna see the Republican Party nominate a true conservative? Because I wanna see what one looks like.
So do I, and Im a conservative I heard Calvin Coolidge was good....
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:54 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Just cause Nixon tarnished the Republican name doesn't make him a Commie, unless you are trying to say all the Republican voters that put him in office were Commies too.
Yes, age of Aquarius and all that crap... They were clearly misguided....

Nixon resigned in disgrace and brought us Jimmy Carter.... Two of the worst we have ever had...
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:54 PM
 
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Nixon wasn't a conservative, he was a globalist commie just like the rest we've had for a long time...
He was a mainstream right-wing conservative Republican. You guys don't get to make changes to his legacy now just because he's dead and effed up the country. Nuh uh...he was a conservative then, and he's a conservative now.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:55 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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Just cause Nixon tarnished the Republican name doesn't make him a Commie, unless you are trying to say all the Republican voters that put him in office were Commies too.
Oh yea Im a John Bircher and I have enjoyed Glen Beck
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:56 PM
 
Location: South Dakota
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He was a mainstream right-wing conservative Republican. You guys don't get to make changes to his legacy now just because he's dead and effed up the country. Nuh uh...he was a conservative then, and he's a conservative now.
I was just a kid it aint my fault
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