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There is no solution to this problem. It is endemic to this society. We don't even punish drunk drivers adequately.
And you still have the situation where the woman at home with her children in GA shot a man who broke into the house carrying a roll of duct tape I hear ready to do goodness knows what to the woman and her kids.
This is endless. Pro-gun have their examples and anti-gun have theirs.
On another note, we are seeing something new in CA with this Dorner thing. With cops as the prime targets, most of their resources are going after this guy. Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Well, they ain't coming; they are too busy protecting their own.
This society cannot be cured of violence and crime. It is expanding.
Let's hear how its not the guns fault and this crazy moron could have killed a 10 year old boy riding with his Mom to the store with a knife or hammer. Guns make crazy people 100X more dangerous. That's why we need strict gun control.
The women’s basketball coach at Martin Luther King Jr. High School in Detroit, Mich. was walking two players to their vehicles when a pair of armed criminals approached. The 70-year-old coach was grabbed by one of the robbers, who then threatened him with what appeared to be a gun. After a brief struggle, the coach, a Right-to-Carry permit holder, drew a pistol and shot both criminals, killing one and landing the other in the hospital. FULL STORY
A homeowner was at his house in Fort Wayne, Ind. when a burglar armed with a handgun broke into the home. The homeowner responded by retrieving a gun and firing at the criminal, causing him to flee. Police do not believe the burglar was struck. Fort Wayne Police spokesman Sgt. Mark Brooks told local media that it was unlikely that the armed citizen would face charges, as Indiana’s castle doctrine law protects homeowners. FULL STORY
Shortly after 4 a.m., a homeowner in McLoud, Okla. awakened to the sound of a burglar breaking into his house. The homeowner retrieved a gun and fired at the criminal, striking him once and causing him to flee. The home invader was captured by police a short time later while seeking treatment at a nearby hospital. An investigation revealed that the criminal was already subject to a felony bench warrant for failing to appear in court for a case in which he was charged with three counts of possession of a stolen vehicle. FULL STORY
David Erives and his wife were in their Omaha, Neb. home when a man began pounding on their back door. The wife went to answer the door, but upon opening it, the man grabbed her and came inside the house. To protect his wife, Erives retrieved a rifle and shot the criminal once in the leg and ordered the home invader to the floor. When the intruder didn’t comply, Erives shot the man again, this time in the chest, killing him. Police are conducting an investigation, but have told local media, “at this point all indications are that the shooting was justified.” FULL STORY
An 11-year-old boy was riding a bike through his Washington, D.C. neighborhood when he encountered a trio of unleashed pit bulls. The pit bulls viciously attacked the boy, with the young man’s uncle later recalling that all three of the dogs were biting the boy’s limbs. A neighbor who witnessed the attack went home, retrieved a pistol, and fired at the dogs, striking one. The sound of gunfire alerted a police officer to the attack, and once on the scene the officer dispatched the other two dogs. Following the attack, the boy was taken to a local hospital and underwent surgery. The boy’s uncle praised the actions of the armed citizen and police officer, stating, “They did the right thing.” Unfortunately, doing the right thing can be a crime in Washington, D.C., as District police are investigating whether the armed citizen violated any of the city’s onerous gun control laws. FULL STORY
Jeffersonville, Ind. homeowner Mike Dreyer was allowing his ex-wife to stay in a storage building on his property, when two burglars attempted to break into the shed. The ex-wife was inside when the thieves struck at 4:30 a.m., and used her cell phone to alert Dreyer, who was across the property in his home, to the threat. Dreyer retrieved a gun, came out of the house and confronted the criminals. Upon seeing the gun, one of the thieves dropped to the ground, while the other fled over a fence. After a brief standoff with the criminal who had jumped the fence, Dyer managed to call the police and hold the remaining burglar at gunpoint until they arrived. Clark County Chief Deputy Prosecutor Jeremy Mull told media that the captured criminal and his partner were on a crime spree before reaching Dreyer’s property. Mull went on to alert burglars to the dangers of their behavior, warning that “many more homeowners are now armed.” FULL STORY
A man was visiting family inside a home in San Antonio, Texas, when he overheard a pair of thieves attempting to steal his SUV that was parked outside. The SUV owner retrieved a gun, went to confront the criminals, and fired after seeing one of the thieves holding what looked like a gun. The SUV owner’s shots struck both men. One of the wounded criminals attempted to flee in a getaway car, but crashed into a parked vehicle after making it only a block. Once police arrived on the scene, they discovered one of the thieves to be dead and took the other to a local hospital. Police noted that the SUV owner is not expected to face charges. FULL STORY
After pulling into the driveway of his brother’s home in Columbus, Ohio, Kelby Smith removed his 2-month-old son, still in his car seat, from the vehicle. While still in the driveway, an armed robber approached Smith and demanded money, prompting Smith to kneel down to shield his son. Smith, a Right-to-Carry permit holder, handed the man a small amount of money then drew a pistol, at which point the criminal retreated. But during his escape, the robber turned and pointed his gun at Smith, prompting Smith to shoot the criminal. Police captured the wounded robber a short time later after he sought medical treatment at a local hospital. Smith and his son were not harmed during the incident and police have not charged the armed citizen. FULL STORY
A mother of two was home with her children in Loganville, Ga. when she heard a repeated knocking at the door. Concerned, the mother called her husband, who told her to “get the kids and hide.” The mother complied, retrieving a gun and taking her children to a crawlspace. By the time they were hidden, the criminal who had been knocking at the door had made it inside the house and was making his way towards the closet where the family was hiding. The home invader opened the crawlspace door, at which point the mother fired six shots from a .38-caliber revolver, striking the criminal five times. The mother kept the revolver trained on the home invader as he exited the house. Once outside, the criminal tried to flee in his vehicle, but only made it a short distance before he was captured by police. Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman commented that “When you got five bullets in you, it makes you kind of disoriented.” The proud husband praised his wife following the incident, stating, “My wife’s a hero… She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do.” FULL STORY
Around 4 a.m., Ronald Sleisher was awakened in his home north of Neosho Rapids, Kans., by the sound of banging at the door and breaking glass. Sleisher retrieved a gun, went to investigate and discovered two intruders. Sleisher fired at the pair, striking one. The homeowner then held the other burglar at gunpoint until police could arrive. The wounded home invader was taken to a local hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. FULL STORY
Wow all of that and they didn't kill him as soon as they found him? Yea, if you are mentally unstable, I think those types of rights should be terminated for the good of everyone, especially the people who are caring for these individuals.
Actually, I have nothing but praise to offer the emergency responders, including the FBI and ATF. Without exception, they were all very polite and professional and not heavy handed at all.
With all due respect, terminating the rights of someone will always be just a piece of paper, but it will not stop such a person from obtaining whatever he or she are barred from keeping, whether it's a driver's license, a car, a gun, alcohol, knives, you name it, they'll break the law to be able to obtain, and/or do what they're not supposed to do.
Well I'm still living in this world, so that fact is obvious. I was basically responding to what Fred and Kathyrn were talking about in regards to mentally unstable people not allowing their caregivers to institutionalize them or being up to date on their medical records, what they are diagnosed with, the prescribed medicines, how unstable they can be, etc. Maybe it won't stop everything from happening, but it will bring a light to a serious disease that is plaguing the country, and find a way to repair it. Just because people murder and do drugs doesn't keep us from enacting laws, creating laws, and imprisoning people who break the law.
There is no solution to this problem. It is endemic to this society. We don't even punish drunk drivers adequately.
And you still have the situation where the woman at home with her children in GA shot a man who broke into the house carrying a roll of duct tape I hear ready to do goodness knows what to the woman and her kids.
This is endless. Pro-gun have their examples and anti-gun have theirs.
On another note, we are seeing something new in CA with this Dorner thing. With cops as the prime targets, most of their resources are going after this guy. Whatcha gonna do when they come for you? Well, they ain't coming; they are too busy protecting their own.
This society cannot be cured of violence and crime. It is expanding.
It can be. but it wont be. because we do not have the will to do what it takes.
People can still be involuntarily committed - the trick is KEEPING THEM under control.
Also - let's take a look at how crazy (no pun intended) our medical privacy laws are when it comes to the mentally ill.
My brother has repeatedly threatened my parents and me with violence. He is guilty of numerous violent felonies after a rampage that ended in the ATF, FBI, bomb squads, snipers, bomb robots, sheriffs, deputies, police officers, and all sorts of responders and emergency vehicles (including helicopters for pete's sake!) and the media descending on my parents' property - and searching nearly every square inch of it.
After he was admitted to the mental institution, we were actually NOT ALLOWED to know anything about his diagnosis. You know why? Because he refused to give permission for us to know.
Even now - three months later, after he has been diagnosed with schizophrenia and a personality disorder (sociopath), whenever anyone lets us know anything about his mental condition, it's always in a whisper with the caveat, "Ok, you know I'm not really supposed to be telling you this..."
COME ON!
you are right, I should have said that if a person has broken the law, or acted violently then they can be committed against their will but you cant get them (in most cases) BEFORE they do something reallly bad.
That being said, you are also right that you cant keep them locked up.
I heard one Dr. say that if they have a person, and they get them on meds and stable, they have to release them if they are no longer a danger...even if the person tells the dr. that they will go off their meds once they leave the institution.
I heard one Dr. say that if they have a person, and they get them on meds and stable, they have to release them if they are no longer a danger...even if the person tells the dr. that they will go off their meds once they leave the institution.
Is there something wrong with what I said? Do you acknowledge that a mentally ill person will kill more with a gun or with a knife?
Dahmer killed 17 people all with no firearm and that is just one case.
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