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Because currently, the only affordable means to access healthcare is through a health insurance company. If you have pre-existing condtions, your access to health insurance is greatly restricted, and there is absolutely no way to get ahead in this country without health insurance. Life shouldn't be like that for anyone.
EVERYONE has access to health care...just open the freaking yellow pages
its your health...its your body...its your appointment...its your bill...pay your freaking bill...dont EXPECT someone ELSE to pay for you
That is a lie! When I had to have surgery last March the hospital called me two days before and said that since I didn't have insurance they wouldn't admit me for my surgery unless I paid every dime up front! They wouldn't even put me on a payment plan.
Yes, the Yellow Pages will do it. My guess is,however, that most people who complain about lack of access to health care really mean lack of access to health care funded by OPM.
Why don't you pay out of pocket for your healthcare and see how much you have left for anything else.
I think most of us would agree that insurance companies should not have to be abused by the leeches in society. What I mean by that, are the people who will purposely go without health care insurance until they get sick, then force the insurance company to pay for their care, only to drop their insurance once they are treated, rinse repeat.
Those would be the people who fit the analogy of the person who goes without paying for insurance, until his house is on fire, or his car is totally demolished, and then runs out to get insurance.
Health insurance is not like car insurance. most every car accident or traffic ticket is due to your own gross negligence. In life, you can follow all the rules, obey the law, take care of yourself, and come down with cancer, or even give birth to a baby with health problems.
A person who purposely goes without health insurance aught to pay the piper, and not force everyone else to pay for their scam against the health care insurance system. I do not pretend to have all the answers, but if a leech on society refuses to buy health insurance they should not get a free ride on the dime of everyone else, and in extreme cases maybe they should be denied treatment that they cannot pay for. Sometimes "too bad, so sad" is what some of the dredges in society deserve.
I bet these employers/job creators would do much better if they didn't have to provide health insurance as a benefit. Another great argument for a national health care insurance.
oh yeah...great agruement...its great for the greedy corpotartions...by bad for taxpayers
One question I have is why there are no charities that cover the costs when someone doesn't have insurance? Perhaps people should see to it they have insurance BEFORE they get sick.
Well, gosh. That's what I keep asking all the "pro-lifers". Where ARE all the charities for children to make sure every child in our country has the medical care they need?
Is that it? All those kids born with birth defects were supposed to think about insurance BEFORE they popped out of the womb. (Because those birth defects tend to stick around through life and become a uh, oh, pre-existing condition.)
Your compassion, "pro-life" community, for sick children - and the adults they grow up to become - is underwhelming.
1) Subtract from the total cost the total premiums currently being paid to insurance companies, and
2) Subtract from that total cost the profits health insurance / hospitals etc. make
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nope did miss anything
yes an individual currently pays.....about 25% of a premium...but that same indivual (if they are a taxpayer) will end up paying 3-5 times as much under singlepayer
profits of insurance have NOTHING to do with it
and most hospitals are not making much profit...infact many are closing...many doctors are closing thier doors
Ventu Medical Group has filed for bankruptcy, closing its doors to more than 1,000 patients.
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DOCTORS, hospitals, etc STILL NEED TO MAKE A LIVING TOO......btw the average hospital spends over 380,000 a MONTH just on electricity...that's over 4.5 million a year just to 9ower the building...then you have the custodial workers, and the food workers, and the laundry, and the water....thats before you even talks about technicians, nurses, doctors, and specialists
even France is going BROKE on their health care system....the spent 200 billion to cover 65 million (their population)
canada has a NHC,,,and its starting to PRIVITIZE
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Canada's Private Clinics Surge as Public System Falters
The country's publicly financed health insurance system — frequently described as the third rail of its political system and a core value of its national identity — is gradually breaking down. Private clinics are opening around the country by an estimated one a week, and private insurance companies are about to find a gold mine.
germany is in the RED,
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PUBLIC GERMAN acute hospitals face bankruptcy
Some German acute hospitals face bankruptcy in 2009, warns Hermann Thiel, at German healthcare property consultancy Terranus.de. Other reports suggest that a third of all publicly owned hospitals will go out of business over the next few years.
Thiel says that the going will get tough as the changes to the system of reimbursements enters its final phase. He predicts that the financial squeeze is likely to lead to more acute hospitals being taken over by private operators. The changes mean that hospitals have had to introduce DRG and can not simply increase their debts.
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demand for private health insurance in Germany is growing, alone in 2004 around 400.000 Germans have chosen one of the private coverage schemes. Between 2002 and 2003, about 300.000 of statutory insured persons have taken out outpatient supplementary private insurance, while in the same period, around 242.000 have taken out optional hospital benefits. We argue that perceived quality of private and public health care, insurance premiums and income are among the determinants of this growing demand. This study is the first in Germany that moves from theoretical to empirical framework. It uses economic modelling to analyze the effects of these determinants on the probability of purchasing private health insurance. Economic modelling states, demand for private health insurance is demand for high health care quality. The model was developed taking into consideration the unobserved endogeneity and heterogeneity. Results support the hypothesis that the demand for private health insurance is driven by the quality gap between both insurance sectors.
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The French health care system is going bankrupt. The public insurance fund has been in deficit every year since 1986
in France you basically get it from a private doctor, clinic or hospital. They compete for business, so they have a strong incentive to provide good care.
You then pay them, but are partly reimbursed by the government, by about 75%. The rest of the money either comes out of your pocket, or your own private medical insurance.
Over 80% of French people have private health insurance to cover this top-up.
less than 1/3 of our population is taxpayers...you want all covered by a MINORITY???
it costs half in other countryies, because they DENY SERVICE
the POINT is that there is NO WAY (unless liberals are willing to talk about getting rid of the INCOME tax and going to a consumption tax) to pay for a singlepayer system in america
look at medicaid ( our quazi singleplayer) (federal AND state paid(so its a twopayer )it COSTS 320 BILLION FEDERAL dollars (have no clue what EACH of the states ends up chipping in on TOP of that) just to cover about 30-40 million people( and that's NOT the most costly demographic(the elderly))...so to cover the 320 MILLION people in our population..at that rate, would be around 3-4 trillion..that's why I give a larger window of 2-5 trillion...and remember many , many doctors are refusing to take medicare/caid because IT DOEST PAY ENOUGH to cover THEIR bills
and who will get hit with that cost..the taxpayer...the WORKER(according to the IRS 110 million taxfilers average year.(and of those 47% get nearly everything back and those are the LOWERS earners)..but using the 105 million to divide into the 2-5 trillion would cost the average taxpayer 20-60k a year..can you as a taxpaying worker of poor/working/middleclass afford a 20k annual bill on top of all your other taxes???? I certainly cant
not to mention, europeans in general are HEALTHIER than americans,,,they dont eat the GARBAGE we do, and they actually WALK, and BIKE to work...they shop at the LOCAL market and get what they NEED, for (what we would call) their dormitory size refrigerators,,htye get out on weekends and do things like volksmarches, etc
we dont allow the kids to pay outside anymore, we are more interested in nintendo, texting, and eating "boxed" food, (and lets not forget our 'southern' food (very fatty))
Because currently, the only affordable means to access healthcare is through a health insurance company. If you have pre-existing condtions, your access to health insurance is greatly restricted, and there is absolutely no way to get ahead in this country without health insurance. Life shouldn't be like that for anyone.
Thanks to your beloved government health care costs have skyrocketed.
Thanks to your beloved government health care costs have skyrocketed.
Healthcare costs have skyrocketed because we have insurance CEOs to pay out and every hospital wants to have an HDTV in every single one of their rooms. It also doesn't help that our doctors spend years of their lives in expensive schooling that can be condensed to be more affordable and less time consuming.
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