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Old 03-02-2013, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Wasilla, Alaska
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Here's CO2 "the pollutant" that is being blamed for global warming at work:




Seeing is Believing......... - YouTube
One species pollutant is another species food.

CO2 levels below 200 ppm completely halts all plant growth. CO2 levels of 1,500 ppm increases plant growth rate and the flowering rate of growth by anywhere from +20% to +100%. CO2 is a necessary component in photosynthesis, without which none of us would be here. Virtually all complex life forms require the waste gas the process of photosynthesis produces. Yet no one takes into consideration that reducing CO2 levels in the atmosphere ultimately means reducing the oxygen content in the atmosphere.

The Taiga (boreal) forests refresh our atmosphere with 33% of all the oxygen, the Amazon rainforests add another 28% to our oxygen levels. By attempting to reduce CO2 levels we are, in effect, cutting off our nose to spite our face. What we should be doing is increasing CO2 levels as much as possible without it adversely affecting the other life forms that require oxygen. However, too much oxygen is just as bad (for us) as too much CO2. While it is true that we can breathe 100% oxygen, when levels of oxygen get above around 30%, forest fires will be virtually impossible to put out.

One thing their Venus models does not take into consideration is water-vapor. Venus only has 0.002% water-vapor in its atmosphere, while Earth has 0.40%. The reason is because Venus lacks a strong enough magnetic field to prevent the solar winds from stripping off hydrogen and oxygen atoms into space. Venus actually behaves like a comet during strong solar winds, with a tail of particles streaming away from the planet into space. Earth obviously has a much stronger magnetic field, which makes water-vapor the predominant "greenhouse gas" on the planet. But since it is not even a consideration on Venus, nobody bothers looking at it as a source of increasing temperatures on Earth.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:54 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Which is better science...man causing global warming or the theroy of creationism to explain human evolution?
What does one have to do with the other? If you only want to believe in science, then you believe in nothing. The definition of science is: The intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural. Science is always being redefined. "Good Science" in the middle ages would have been that the world was flat and blood letting would cure disease. What is defined today will be absurd in fifty years.

The great thing about science is that scientists can turn on a dime with no oversight.

Oops, we got it wrong, moving on.

Theories are just waiting to be replaced be new theories. Science, for the most part, is based on theory. Many theories are proven correct, such as "the atom bomb shouldn't burn up the atmosphere"

Thank God they were correct on that one.

Man causing global warming is bad science and self serving. If you stood to make trillions, you'd probably stretch the truth too.

Most rediculous quote: Hurricane Sandy is a disturbing sign of things to come. We must heed this warning and act quickly to solve the climate crisis. Dirty energy makes dirty weather - Al Gore

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/...#ixzz2MSt1zUGJ

BTW, he stands to make billions off perpetuating the lie, yet he invested $12M in a mansion on the beach. That's like Fermi investing in Hiroshima real estate in 1945.

We are either sheep or wolves. Gore wants to hunt you for sport.
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
It's clear that you and others of the duped left don't. Toxic waste dumping does not cause global warming unless you think CO2 is an industrial pollutant, which clearly it is not
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Old 03-03-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Same scientist were screaming global cooling & new ice age just 32 years ago.

1970 – Colder Winters Held Dawn of New Ice Age – Scientists See Ice Age In the Future (The Washington Post, January 11, 1970)
1970 – Is Mankind Manufacturing a New Ice Age for Itself? (L.A. Times, January 15, 1970)
1970 – New Ice Age May Descend On Man (Sumter Daily Item, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Prospect A Chilling One (Owosso Argus-Press, January 26, 1970)
1970 – Pollution’s 2-way ‘Freeze’ On Society (Middlesboro Daily News, January 28, 1970)
1970 – Cold Facts About Pollution (The Southeast Missourian, January 29, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Could Cause Ice Age, Agency Reports (St. Petersburg Times, March 4, 1970)
1970 – Pollution Called Ice Age Threat (St. Petersburg Times, June 26, 1970)
1970 – Dirt Will .Bring New Ice Age (The Sydney Morning Herald, October 19, 1970)
1971 – Ice Age Refugee Dies Underground (The Montreal Gazette, Febuary 17, 1971)
1971 – U.S. Scientist Sees New Ice Age Coming (The Washington Post, July 9, 1971)
1971 – Ice Age Around the Corner (Chicago Tribune, July 10, 1971)
1971 – New Ice Age Coming – It’s Already Getting Colder (L.A. Times, October 24, 1971)
1971 – Another Ice Age? Pollution Blocking Sunlight (The Day, November 1, 1971)
1971 – Air Pollution Could Bring An Ice Age (Harlan Daily Enterprise, November 4, 1971)
1972 – Air pollution may cause ice age (Free-Lance Star, February 3, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Says New ice Age Coming (The Ledger, February 13, 1972)
1972 – Scientist predicts new ice age (Free-Lance Star, September 11, 1972)
1972 – British expert on Climate Change says Says New Ice Age Creeping Over Northern Hemisphere (Lewiston Evening Journal, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Climate Seen Cooling For Return Of Ice Age (Portsmouth Times, *September 11, 1972*)
1972 – New Ice Age Slipping Over North (Press-Courier, September 11, 1972)
1972 – Ice Age Begins A New Assault In North (The Age, September 12, 1972)
1972 – Weather To Get Colder (Montreal Gazette, *September 12, 1972*)
1972 – British climate expert predicts new Ice Age (The Christian Science Monitor, September 23, 1972)
1972 – Scientist Sees Chilling Signs of New Ice Age (L.A. Times, September 24, 1972)
1972 – Science: Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, November 13, 1972)
1973 – The Ice Age Cometh (The Saturday Review, March 24, 1973)
1973 – Weather-watchers think another ice age may be on the way (The Christian Science Monitor, December 11, 1973)
1974 – New evidence indicates ice age here (Eugene Register-Guard, May 29, 1974)
1974 – Another Ice Age? (Time Magazine, June 24, 1974)
1974 – 2 Scientists Think ‘Little’ Ice Age Near (The Hartford Courant, August 11, 1974)
1974 – Ice Age, worse food crisis seen (The Chicago Tribune, October 30, 1974)
1974 – Believes Pollution Could Bring On Ice Age (Ludington Daily News, December 4, 1974)
1974 – Pollution Could Spur Ice Age, Nasa Says (Beaver Country Times, *December 4, 1974*)
1974 – Air Pollution May Trigger Ice Age, Scientists Feel (The Telegraph, *December 5, 1974*)
1974 – More Air Pollution Could Trigger Ice Age Disaster (Daily Sentinel – *December 5, 1974*)
1974 – Scientists Fear Smog Could Cause Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 5, 1974)
1975 – Climate Changes Called Ominous (The New York Times, January 19, 1975)
1975 – Climate Change: Chilling Possibilities (Science News, March 1, 1975)
1975 – B-r-r-r-r: New Ice Age on way soon? (The Chicago Tribune, March 2, 1975)
1975 – Cooling Trends Arouse Fear That New Ice Age Coming (Eugene Register-Guard, *March 2, 1975*)
1975 – Is Another Ice Age Due? Arctic Ice Expands In Last Decade (Youngstown Vindicator – *March 2, 1975*)
1975 – Is Earth Headed For Another Ice Age? (Reading Eagle, March 2, 1975)
1975 – New Ice Age Dawning? Significant Shift In Climate Seen (Times Daily, *March 2, 1975*)
1975 – There’s Troublesome Weather Ahead (Tri City Herald, *March 2, 1975*)
1975 – Is Earth Doomed To Live Through Another Ice Age? (The Robesonian, *March 3, 1975*)
1975 – The Ice Age cometh: the system that controls our climate (The Chicago Tribune, April 13, 1975)
1975 – The Cooling World (Newsweek, April 28, 1975)
1975 – Scientists Ask Why World Climate Is Changing; Major Cooling May Be Ahead (PDF) (The New York Times, May 21, 1975)
1975 – In the Grip of a New Ice Age? (International Wildlife, July-August, 1975)
1975 – Oil Spill Could Cause New Ice Age (Milwaukee Journal, December 11, 1975)
1976 – The Cooling: Has the Next Ice Age Already Begun? [Book] (Lowell Ponte, 1976)
1977 – Blizzard – What Happens if it Doesn’t Stop? [Book] (George Stone, 1977)
1977 – The Weather Conspiracy: The Coming of the New Ice Age [Book] (The Impact Team, 1977)
1976 – Worrisome CIA Report; Even U.S. Farms May be Hit by Cooling Trend (U.S. News & World Report, May 31, 1976)
1977 – The Big Freeze (Time Magazine, January 31, 1977)
1977 – We Will Freeze in the Dark (Capital Cities Communications Documentary, Host: Nancy Dickerson, April 12, 1977)
1978 – The New Ice Age [Book] (Henry Gilfond, 1978)
1978 – Little Ice Age: Severe winters and cool summers ahead (Calgary Herald, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Winters Will Get Colder, ‘we’re Entering Little Ice Age’ (Ellensburg Daily Record, January 10, 1978)
1978 – Geologist Says Winters Getting Colder (Middlesboro Daily News, January 16, 1978)
1978 – It’s Going To Get Colder (Boca Raton News, *January 17, 1978*)
1978 – Believe new ice age is coming (The Bryan Times, March 31, 1978)
1978 – The Coming Ice Age (In Search Of TV Show, Season 2, Episode 23, Host: Leonard Nimoy, May 1978)
1978 – An Ice Age Is Coming Weather Expert Fears (Milwaukee Sentinel, November 17, 1978)
1979 – A Choice of Catastrophes – The Disasters That Threaten Our World [Book] (Isaac Asimov, 1979)
1979 – Get Ready to Freeze (Spokane Daily Chronicle, October 12, 1979)
1979 – New ice age almost upon us? (The Christian Science Monitor, November 14, 1979)
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Old 03-03-2013, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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32 years ago we didn't have the tools we have today...Climate change is happening, and your denial will change nothing.
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:06 PM
 
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32 years ago we didn't have the tools we have today....
Now that's interesting point, for example we can accurately measure the extent of arctic ice since the late 70's becsue of satellites. The question is are we seeing something new with the shrinking ice or is cyclic over centuries?
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:07 PM
 
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32 years ago we didn't have the tools we have today...climate change is happening, and your denial will change nothing.
lol
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:09 PM
 
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Now that's interesting point, for example we can accurately measure the extent of arctic ice since the late 70's becsue of satellites. The question is are we seeing something new with the shrinking ice or is cyclic over centuries?
Shush! No details here, only blind adherence to an ideology.

These folks know they are in deep crap, which is why the only thing you will get from their defenders is attacks. Wait for it, incoming disdain and dismissal with a side of arrogant condescension!
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Old 03-03-2013, 05:12 PM
 
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32 years ago we didn't have the tools we have today...Climate change is happening, and your denial will change nothing.
The denial that is happening on your side is that you deny that your policies will result in the wealthy benefiting at the expense of the middle class, and the lives of the world's poor. What's going to kill more people in the long run? Implementing policies that will further hinder the plight of Africa's poor, never giving them a chance to develop and die at the ripe old age of 45 from HIV/AIDS, cholera, and other diseases on the basis that something might happen after half of us alive right now are dead? Or changing climate that we, as a reasonably technologically advanced species, will most likely overcome anyway? Both scenarios involve a lot of money, one of them benefits all of us while the other only benefits the ultra rich. Why do you hate the poor so much and coddle the rich?
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Old 03-03-2013, 08:19 PM
 
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The denial that is happening on your side is that you deny that your policies will result in the wealthy benefiting at the expense of the middle class, and the lives of the world's poor. What's going to kill more people in the long run? Implementing policies that will further hinder the plight of Africa's poor, never giving them a chance to develop and die at the ripe old age of 45 from HIV/AIDS, cholera, and other diseases on the basis that something might happen after half of us alive right now are dead? Or changing climate that we, as a reasonably technologically advanced species, will most likely overcome anyway? Both scenarios involve a lot of money, one of them benefits all of us while the other only benefits the ultra rich. Why do you hate the poor so much and coddle the rich?
Look closely at the ideology of their movement. These folks are seeking maximized casualties of population. They want people to die, they want massive fatalities. They see humans as a plague that infects the surface of the earth. They don't care if their policies result in the loss of life. They do not care if people suffer due to the change. Keep in mind, these people "worship the earth" loonies think mankind should suffer a massive genocide in order to serve the will of their belief.

I had a Social Anthropology professor who believed this. They wanted mankind to suffer, be eliminated and reduced to the point where their "Goddess" based religion ( very old religious earth based belief) would dictate the result of humanity. They believe that ANY and ALL means are necessary to achieve such a goal. That is, these "freaks" believe that lying, cheating, stealing, and eventually killing is needed to establish their position.

This is why you see blatant contradictions in many of the positions of these groups. These people are cowards, who are too afraid to attend to their belief through physical force and serve the means of politics and civil lethargy as a means to solidify their rule.

The are Alinksy masters, lying and misdirecting to serve their goal.

The question is, will we serve them, or will we eventually recognize and place them in their hole?
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