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Old 03-18-2013, 03:50 PM
 
Location: USA
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Absolutely. The armchair quarterback should never get a dime. Ideas are useless (and worthless) until you do something about it. Do you really want to live in a society that doesn't reward the effort?

Ideas are not rare. Everyone and their brother has a good idea. What sets a person apart is the ability to act on and make something of it.
What have you created?

 
Old 03-18-2013, 03:51 PM
 
Location: NC
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your really getting the shaft aren't you? why isn't grandpa pulling his weight?

So who was taxed to put you through school for 12+ years, which you no doubt wasted a good portion of chasing girls and playing video games?
It is not about getting the shaft or not. That is your value judgment. It is a simple statement of fact money flows from the young to the old, you are free to justify it how you like, but to deny it is just ignoring reality. As to the K-12 you do realize that legally speaking children are, with some protections, pretty much property of their parents (thus why we have rules about emancipating minors), the extent to which they can play video games, or even whether they can keep their wages is up to their parents. It just works because parents tend to be benevolent, but this is not always the case.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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What have you created?
I know your dying to tell us all about your personal business that you started gtownoe but you will have to give it a rest, its not relevant right now. hang in there sport, you will get your chance
 
Old 03-18-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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It is not about get the shaft or not. That is your value judgment. It is a simple statement of fact money flows from the young to the old, you are free to justify it how you like, but to deny it is just ignoring reality. As to the K-12 you do realize that legally speaking children are, with some protections, pretty much property of their parents, the extent to which they can play video games, or even whether they can keep their wages is up to their parents. It just works because parents tend to be benevolent, but this is not always the case.
Sure money flows from the young to the old, just as it flows from the old to the young, is there a point somewhere in there? I assumed that it was you kids having it so rough, and getting shafted. Thus standing with your hand out asking wheres my due.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: NC
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Sure money flows from the young to the old, just as it flows from the old to the young, is there a point somewhere in there? I assumed that it was you kids having it so rough, and getting shafted. Thus standing with your hand out asking wheres my due.
Except barring inheritance rules, which are more or less voluntary, and isolated things like compulsory education and the foster system all of which pretty much ends at age 18, there is no real government sanctioned program of taxing the old to give to the young. Where as there several extremely large government sanctioned programs that take from the young to give to the old, often regardless of need or merit. In fact, that is most of what the government does these days. It is an even bigger program money wise then the military, or practically everything else for that mater.

Value judgments aside that is the reality.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 04:05 PM
 
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your really getting the shaft aren't you? why isn't grandpa pulling his weight?

So who was taxed to put you through school for 12+ years, which you no doubt wasted a good portion of chasing girls and playing video games?

Apparently what ever was spent on you was wasted since I cannot seem to find an argument.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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Except barring inheritance rules and isolated things like compulsory education and the foster system all of which pretty much ends at age 18, there is no real government sanctioned program of taxing the old to give to the young.
What does it matter how the money is transferred, billions of old people's tax money is spent on the young, and ultimately their every earthly possession is transferred to the young. 'The young' as a group get back anything they spend on the old, it will eventually work its way back to a young person.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 04:09 PM
 
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What does it matter how the money is transferred, billions of old people's tax money is spent on the young, and ultimately their every earthly possession is transferred to the young. 'The young' as a group get back anything they spend on the old, it will eventually work its way back to a young person.
Again you are going into the land of making value judgments and justifications while ignoring the simple fact that what I say is 100% true.

The only reason that money is transferred to the young is because of mortality, I am sure that if the government could they would ban death and try and perpetuate the system indefinitly. Increasingly though what we are seeing government wise is that what is being transferred to the young is not assets or money, but rather debts which need repayment.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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What does it matter how the money is transferred, billions of old people's tax money is spent on the young, and ultimately their every earthly possession is transferred to the young. 'The young' as a group get back anything they spend on the old, it will eventually work its way back to a young person.

Please demonstrate. That still isn't an argument. Its an opinion.
 
Old 03-18-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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Again you are going into the land of making value judgments and justifications while ignoring the simple fact that what I say is 100% true.
100% true is not useful if it is without point. Just as money transferring from the old to the young is 100% true.
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