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Old 04-02-2013, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter View Post
Yea...that's usually a cop-out from people that worship business owners and wealthy people.

Besides, it ain't like anyone on C-D knows how to run a successful business. If they did, they wouldn't be around here chirping daily.
Heh! That's some funny stuff!
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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To be honest, most of the policy recommendations for workers are not aimed at the little guy, scratching out a meager living at high risk. They are leveled at the multinationals where a CEO earns 300 times a daily worker, and those rich guys are spending their cash to buy our government and fuel more propaganda. Lather rinse repeat. That is crap. If we paid those workers more, or gave them a larger slice of the profit, it would help recirculation in the economy and strengthen the middle class-the key to greatness in any society. I am assuming that most small business owners do not have a strong presence on K street, but Lockheed Martin, Wal-Mart, and the other Fortune 500 companies do. Also, we need far less capital in Wall Street and far more on Main Street-see middle class argument above.

As for needing to be an expert before posting, that is ridiculous. How many people have I heard post on climate change who have never taken a college calculus class? How many people have complained about environmental regulations, but could not tell benzene from a diet cola? How many have posted about global politics without having ever lived or worked abroad or are not professional political scientists? How many act like they could balance the federal budget without a shred of macroeconomic experience? How many people opine endlessly on peoples real motivations with no professional experience in psychology, sociology, or social work? How many bray about the value of good art but cannot draw a stick man? How many are experts on gay marriage, but are not gay or married themselves?

It is a bogus standard that is breached in almost every discussion we have here. Small business is just one of many spheres of importance, and by no means the most complex. No, these discussions are built around common sense. If you have that you can play.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:44 PM
 
Location: mancos
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OK I get it now good nite gotta hang some cabinets tomorrow.
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Old 04-02-2013, 08:48 PM
 
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To be honest, most of the policy recommendations for workers are not aimed at the little guy, scratching out a meager living at high risk. They are leveled at the multinationals where a CEO earns 300 times a daily worker, and those rich guys are spending their cash to buy our government and fuel more propaganda. Lather rinse repeat. That is crap. If we paid those workers more, or gave them a larger slice of the profit, it would help recirculation in the economy and strengthen the middle class-the key to greatness in any society. I am assuming that most small business owners do not have a strong presence on K street, but Lockheed Martin, Wal-Mart, and the other Fortune 500 companies do. Also, we need far less capital in Wall Street and far more on Main Street-see middle class argument above.
The main thing with the economy is freedom. Since the rich have more money they have more power to execute that freedom and taking away that money by force means less freedom and power. But that doesn't mean the worker isn't free to get more money.

Sure, poorer people need money more than rich people, but since both the poor and rich have freedom we are at the mercy of the rich people.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:03 PM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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If you have to tell someone to start their own business to make a point then all you're saying is you think you are arguing with someone that doesn't have knowledge on how to run a business.
People - especially arguing here - have absolutely NO idea what's involved in running a business. They believe that every successful business should be simply handed over to the employees, as if the employees did anything to deserve it.

We suggest that people start their own business because they clearly have NO CLUE how much blood, sweat and tears go into building one, and once they are able to gain that new perspective, there's no doubt in any business owner's mind that they would change their tune. Guaranteed.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:05 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Capital aside it's simple to start one. Running one successfully is another story hence the reason for the comment "go start your own business" when people that have no clue want to dictate how someone else should run their business.

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Old 04-02-2013, 09:17 PM
 
Location: NC
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Most of the time it comes across like this brain dead woman. I'm not a fan of Lawrence O'Donnell, but this woman comes in charged up she is taxed too much and hates socialism citing how they own a small business...but when asked how much their taxes have gone up she states she has no idea what they pay.
I am always surprised by people, including those on this site, who claim to be millionaires and run successful small businesses, but lack even a basic understanding of the tax code. I don't see how this is possible.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Albany, NY
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I have run several of my own businesses, without much capital or investment. Why? Because I sell *myself.* I have talent, and I sell it. (No, it's not an *adult* industry).

Some people *can* start their own businesses. Others, like my father, fail. He failed for many reasons, including those listed. I'm not making a million dollars, never did. But I made enough to make me proud to own the businesses. And, if someone had instructed me to "go out and start my own business," if I could, I did.

The problem with a lot of businesses is that they rely on third-party sales. I can't sell anything but me. Expecting someone to sell things to produce more money for *you* never works.

I'm not defending or condoning owning your own business. Just giving another point of view.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:30 PM
 
Location: NC
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Another thing I find funny is the idea that somehow owning a small business makes you a conservative. All the openly socialist people I know are/were and are retired small-medium size business owners. Once more most of the small business people I know are in fact liberal.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:01 PM
 
Location: USA
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I am the offspring of a person who ran a failed business because someone suggested to that person to start a business.

It's not that simple to just start a business. You must not only have an idea, but you must have capital, access to expertise, and knowledge of the market. Many businesses fail out there because they haven't done the research on how to make their business thrive.


All the different topics that relate to business:

minimum wage
union greed
corporate greed
healthcare
government regulations


...An opinion on these topics is supposed to be defended without having to resort to tell someone to start their own business.

If you have to tell someone to start their own business to make a point then all you're saying is you think you are arguing with someone that doesn't have knowledge on how to run a business.
Gotta throw in a little luck too. Or faith. Whatever you want to call it. You need things to fall in place when it counts.

I agree with posters who feel we need a better business culture.
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