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Yeah, I went to school. Worked 3 jobs to pay for it.
And I never said you would graduate in 4 years if you took a loan. Took me 6 years. I said people take out loans because they want to graduate quicker than they would without the loan. It's bs to say one has to take a loan out to finish school. And you can always go to a cheaper school. That's another way to afford it.
I could care less if people wanna borrow money for school. It's a choice though. No one is forced into it and everyone has other options. I just get tired of the same people bitching about the cost. Obviously it didn't cost too much for them or they wouldn't go.
Bull. I am betting some of your tuition was paid for, hence why you didn't need loans or grants. Or, you did not go to school full-time each semester. There is no way you could attend classes, study, work three jobs, eat, sleep & pass your classes. Unless by 3 jobs you mean you worked 3 hrs per week at each job. In that case, you could not pay for tuition. Did you go to an actual 4 year college or tech school?
I don't hear anyone on here complaining about the price of college. You are the one bringing it up. We are simply saying it is not feasible for the majority of people to pay for college on their own. End of story.
Bull. I am betting some of your tuition was paid for, hence why you didn't need loans or grants. Or, you did not go to school full-time each semester.
There is another possibility: OhioRules is actually 102, and went to university in the 1920s, when his tuition was $17.36 per term. Which he earned by delivering newspapers and shining shoes.
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis) is a political philosophy or worldview founded on the ideas of liberty and equality. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and a right to life, liberty, and property.
The revolutionaries in the American Revolution, the French Revolution and other liberal revolutions from that time used liberal philosophy to justify the armed overthrow of what they saw as tyrannical rule.
Modern American liberalism includes Theodore Roosevelt's New Nationalism, Woodrow Wilson's New Freedom, Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, John F. Kennedy's New Frontier, and Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society. It combines social liberalism with support for social justice and a mixed economy. American liberal causes include voting rights for African Americans, abortion rights for women, gay rights and government entitlements such as education and health care. Modern liberalism stands in opposition to Conservatism in the United States on most issues, but its relationship to progressivism is debated. Keynesian economic theory has played a central role in the economic philosophy of modern American liberals. The argument has been that national prosperity requires government management of the macroeconomy, to keep unemployment low, inflation in check, and growth high.
John F. Kennedy defined a liberal as follows:
...someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people - their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a 'Liberal', then I’m proud to say I’m a 'Liberal'.
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The original "Liberal" respected the private property rights of people, without such rights, there is no right to life, nor liberty.
The new "Liberal" seeks to take private property rights from the people, and use government to "share the wealth", in the vain pursuit of "social justice" - aka "welfare". Government grants privileges, based on taking other people's property, and deliberately misleads by calling them "rights" and "entitlements" as if the recipient was endowed with them.
However, expropriating property and compelling people to work for the benefit of another is still slavery - and that is NOT an acceptable solution for the ills of humanity. The modern American Liberal is a slaver and pirate thief, seeking to dispossess others "for the good of the people".
Perhaps we can comprehend their true nature by this - - -
From the Communist manifesto: "In this sense, the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."
Welcome to the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America - sans that pesky "charter of negative liberties" (saith BHO, that "constitutional scholar" in the White House, ably assisted by Chief Justice Roberts ). Your "right to life" has now become a government granted privilege, as all other aspects of your life. You don't have a right to defend that life with a firearm unless you get permission. All that is not mandatory, shall be licensed (+ taxed) or forbidden. You already need a license (or pay a tax) to live, work, travel, buy, sell, operate a business, transmit radio, fly a plane, trade in healthcare, buy medicine, cut hair, build a house, hunt, fish, marry and own a dog. The worst is yet to come... oh, right, and when you die, they take a chunk of your estate, too.
And do not forget your papers-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s-s!
There is another possibility: OhioRules is actually 102, and went to university in the 1920s, when his tuition was $17.36 per term. Which he earned by delivering newspapers and shining shoes.
Bull. I am betting some of your tuition was paid for, hence why you didn't need loans or grants. Or, you did not go to school full-time each semester. There is no way you could attend classes, study, work three jobs, eat, sleep & pass your classes. Unless by 3 jobs you mean you worked 3 hrs per week at each job. In that case, you could not pay for tuition. Did you go to an actual 4 year college or tech school?
I don't hear anyone on here complaining about the price of college. You are the one bringing it up. We are simply saying it is not feasible for the majority of people to pay for college on their own. End of story.
I worked 2 jobs while I was on school. I also was in the Army for 7 years after high school. I saved a bunch of money there and I used the GI Bill while in school. Also took a couple summers off and ran a student painting business. That pulled in some serious cash.
This allowed me to go to school full-time at a 4-year University. I shouldn't say "allow". I worked for it. I didn't sit around and cry about cost or debt.
Like I said, it can be done. There are plenty of options for people. Hell, I went to a community college for a litle while. There were tons of kids that went there for 2 years then transferred to a university. Like I said, I cold care less how someone pays for school. This myth that people have no other choice but to walk out with all this debt is just that, myth. People will incur as much debt as they want to. If they don't want the debt they will not take out the loan.
P.S. Please don't tell me how I received financial aid because I got the GI Bill. The GI Bill is part of a contract. You don't get it unless you uphold your end of the contract. It aint just given to people. It's work.
After the fifty years of unchecked liberalism it is safe to say we are doomed. Writing checks with no hope of making good on them, pitting people against each other by class, race, gender, religion and ethnicity have finally taken their toll. The master plan of the left has always been to divide and conquer. That as well as creating a dependency society hell-bent on creating addicts to social heroin i.e.,the govt trough. It has led people to believe in a 'Bizarro World' of sorts. What once was considered unacceptable is now the norm.
If you are a minority then you are automatically a victim.
If you are out of work it is because some rich person put you there.
If you make a profit you are made out to be 'evil' and 'greedy'.
If you are Christian then you are to be mocked and ridiculed.
If you disagree with someone you 'hate' them.
Feel free to add to the list as you see fit.
From LBJ to Obama, every Dem POTUS has been first and foremost the type that is agenda driven. Not driven to duty for all Americans. The focus of dems has always been how to spread the money around. How to in effect 'buy' votes via our tax money. 'Democracy for sale' is their practice and we have been driven to the point of bankruptcy because of it.
Now we have a POTUS that embraces entities like the Muslim Brotherhood and Syrian rebels as he drones Americans. Who closes down the WH to tourists but has time for and Easter egg role on the lawn. A POTUS who strips the border of protection as he spends millions elsewhere. A POTUS who throws our money at boondoggles like Solyndra as he has the EPA go after oil and coal. A man who lives on the golf course and Hawaiian beaches as he cries for others to 'do their job' at the Capitol.
The disease of liberalism has been a work in progress for decades now. Liberals have been patient in their assault. They have slowly but surely eroded this nation. It will take a while to eradicate but it is a fight worth fighting.
That's it? That's your response? You're a waste of time. Talk about responding only in emotion, that's you to a T. I didn't really expect you to answer any of my questions in my other post because as I suspect, your post was just one big lie.
So now I'm a liar?
And you base this on what? Because I disagree with yoou?
And you accuse me of dealing in emotion. lols.
By the way, as you are accusing me of not answering you silly little questions I answered them. See my previous post.
Sounds to me you are just mad as hell because you decided, of your own free will, to take out student loans and I didn't.
I suggested indentured servitude or organ donation. I suppose military service could potentially be both. But if all college students were required to enlist in the armed forces, wouldn't we end up with a very, very large army?
We'd have to build new bases just to house them all. In places like, oh, Texas, or Georgia.
You're serious, G.I. Bill? You have no business telling others that they should pay for tuition on their own. What a joke you are.
You know, everyone of my posts has been about different ways to pay for school without getting into debt. Or at least limiting the debt.
All you do is accuse me of "lying" and being a "joke".
Then you turn around and say I'm not arguing facts. I'm just telling you my experience about how to pay for school. Millions of others have done the same as me. You had those options too, but decided to go another way. That's fine. Just stop pretending that what I did, and millions of others, is impossible.
Liberals by their very name had one job back in the day. It was to liberate people...to free them. This was a good thing..but with freedom came responsibility. The act of responding to real needs of others. Now liberals through political correctness and a general attitude of anything goes have in effect enslaved the people. There are limits to freedom and those limits have been breached. What happens naturally is that if you are of the left and you hate the right long enough...You become what you hate..The left has swung so far to the left that like a pendulum they have circled around and are no longer left. They for all intent are the new fascist right...and Fascism by definition is a one party state that allows no opposition what so ever.
At this point I am beginning to fear the liberal right. Easter Sunday..we had a family gathering - Food drinks and live music. The gay liberal neighbors believe they are the new ruling class. They resented the family gathering that consisted of fathers and daughters and sons and siblings...something they will not have in the traditional sense. Near the end of the celebration a group of police arrived..It was the middle of the afternoon. Our warm and fuzzy liberal neighbors insisted that we stop enjoying ourselves...It was such an insult. That on Easter Sunday some spiteful jerks were attempting to control and manipulate police as if they were the ruling class and we were irritating peasants.
This is the new face of liberalism- oppression.
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