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Should Obama have paid for increased security at the Benghazi consulate himself?
I am guessing the GOP led witch hunt will come to an abrupt end when it ends with themselves to blame.
Several months before the attack in Benghazi, the BBC reported that the International Red Cross withdrew from the country. The headline read, “Libya: Red Cross Pulls out of Benghazi Fearing Attack.”
If we had taken our people out, it would have required admission on someone’s part that Libya has not been normalized or that al-Qaida is not on the path to defeat. This would have been hard to explain just before an election.
If the British Intelligence was fully aware of the dangers present in the country, and pulled their personnel out, why were our people left there to perish? It’s even more troublesome when we know that British Intelligence and the CIA work closely together, and the CIA must have known what the situation was like there on the ground, too. If our people were not pulled out of Benghazi as others were, it appears to me to be a case of gross negligence, incompetence, or both.
What I find interesting about the "Benghazi Talking Points" as published in the Weekly Standard is how closely Susan Rice's comments on the 9/16/12 Sunday talk shows align with the original version 1 pre-edited CIA talking points.
From the CIA version 1:
-Spontaneous, inspired by the Cairo protests [which btw were at least in part inspired by the video].
-Mix crowd from many sectors of Libyan society.
-Islamic extremists in crowd with ties to Al-Qaeda in the crowd.
-Availability of heavy weapons in Libya contributed to the attack.
Susan Rice on "Face the Nation." But based on the best information we have to date, what our assessment is as of the present is in fact what began spontaneously in Benghazi as a reaction to what had transpired some hours earlier in Cairo where, of course, as you know, there was a violent protest outside of our embassy– –sparked by this hateful video. But soon after that spontaneous protest began outside of our consulate in Benghazi, we believe that it looks like extremist elements, individuals, joined in that– in that effort with heavy weapons of the sort that are, unfortunately, readily now available in Libya post-revolution. And that it spun from there into something much, much more violent.
Yes, Rice continued with the movie violence theme while Libya said it was a terrorist act.
Rice even embarrassed the Libyan President on CBS by practically calling him a liar.
Turns out the Libyan President and other European intelligence agencies were correct in their initial assessments and the US, standing alone, was wrong.
Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - ABC News
Rice’s account directly contradicts that of Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf, who said this weekend that he had “no doubt” the attack was pre-planned by individuals from outside Libya.
“It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” Magariaf told CBS News.
Before the Benghazi attack the International Red Cross pulls out of Benghazi fearing attack
The International Committee of the Red Cross has withdrawn from the rebel-held city of Benghazi, in eastern Libya. Red Cross pulls out of Benghazi fearing attack
Obama was very willing to receive accolades that were bestowed upon him for the success of eliminating Osama bin Laden but NOT willing to step forth and accept responsibility for the failures in Benghazi. Instead, he placed the blame on the reaction to a video, which is protected under the First Amendment, and spent weeks repeating such misleading information.
This was bad enough but taxpayer money was used to take out advertisements apologizing to the Arab World.
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This is about lying, not funding.
Going on and on about funding or lack of is nothing but deflection.
How is this about lying, we already know what happened. The way Fox news is talking, the only thing left to find out is if Hillary Clinton knew about a cable from weeks earlier.
How is this about lying, we already know what happened. The way Fox news is talking, the only thing left to find out is if Hillary Clinton knew about a cable from weeks earlier.
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BBC: Red Cross pulls out of Benghazi fearing attack
The International Committee of the Red Cross has withdrawn from the rebel-held city of Benghazi, in eastern Libya. Red Cross pulls out of Benghazi fearing attack
16 March 2011 Last updated at 19:58 ET
seriously dude, a full year and a half before the consulate attack and you think this proves your argument ?
Muammar Gaddafi was still in power and looking to keep his country. Heck, the revolution had only started 3 weeks earlier.
Yes, Rice continued with the movie violence theme while Libya said it was a terrorist act.
Rice even embarrassed the Libyan President on CBS by practically calling him a liar.
Turns out the Libyan President and other European intelligence agencies were correct in their initial assessments and the US, standing alone, was wrong.
Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - ABC News
Rice’s account directly contradicts that of Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf, who said this weekend that he had “no doubt” the attack was pre-planned by individuals from outside Libya.
“It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” Magariaf told CBS News.
Whose opinion should Rice's comments reflect: the U.S. Intelligence agencies or the the President of Libya.
JAKE TAPPER: So, first of all, what is the latest you can tell us on who these attackers were at the embassy or at the consulate in Benghazi? We’re hearing that the Libyans have arrested people. They’re saying that some people involved were from outside the country, that there might have even been Al Qaida ties. What’s the latest information? MS. RICE: Well, Jake, first of all, it’s important to know that there’s an FBI investigation that has begun and will take some time to be completed. That will tell us with certainty what transpired. But our current best assessment, based on the information that we have at present, is that, in fact, what this began as, it was a spontaneous — not a premeditated — response to what had transpired in Cairo. In Cairo, as you know, a few hours earlier, there was a violent protest that was undertaken in reaction to this very offensive video that was disseminated. We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to — or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo. And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons, weapons that as you know in — in the wake of the revolution in Libya are — are quite common and accessible. And it then evolved from there.
She was reflecting what the CIA assessment was, at least based on what the Weekly Standard has published.
Was that CIA assessment wrong? It would certainly appear to be wrong.
Yes, Rice continued with the movie violence theme while Libya said it was a terrorist act.
Rice even embarrassed the Libyan President on CBS by practically calling him a liar.
Turns out the Libyan President and other European intelligence agencies were correct in their initial assessments and the US, standing alone, was wrong.
Ambassador Susan Rice: Libya Attack Not Premeditated - ABC News
Rice’s account directly contradicts that of Libyan President Mohamed Yousef El-Magariaf, who said this weekend that he had “no doubt” the attack was pre-planned by individuals from outside Libya.
“It was planned, definitely, it was planned by foreigners, by people who entered the country a few months ago, and they were planning this criminal act since their arrival,” Magariaf told CBS News.
Contradicting someone is not the same thing as "practically calling him a liar". Lying requires intent to deceive. Two people can examine facts, and come to different conclusions, without either accusing the other of "lying".
Don't you think the Libyan president might have had a reason for wanting to attribute the Benghazi raid to "foreigners", before all the facts are in?
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