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Old 05-01-2013, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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If abortion is murder then what is miscarriage? Suicide?
Lol! I tried to rep you for that one, but couldn't.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:15 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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To be clear, my position is that abortion is murder.

However, various societies can either condone murder (the willful killing of another human being) or punish it. If you want to have our society accept murder, then push to have it condoned. The act itself is murder, in and of itself without judgment attached to it (individual societies attach moral and legal aspects to various acts).
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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To be clear, my position is that abortion is murder.
That was quite clear.

Even though by the very definition of murder, abortion is not such.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:17 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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Then you knew wrong.

Unlawful killing is called murder.

Not killing in general.
A society can either see killing a person as unlawful, or condone it.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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To be clear, my position is that abortion is murder.

However, various societies can either condone murder (the willful killing of another human being) or punish it. If you want to have our society accept murder, then push to have it condoned. The act itself is murder, in and of itself without judgment attached to it (individual societies attach moral and legal aspects to various acts).
A zygote is not a person so how can it be murdered?

Most women will not have an abortion unless they have to. If they have a stable relationship, stable income, stable career, and can carry to term without any heath risks they usually do so. However, bringing a child into this world that you cannot adequately provide for is more of a crime than abortion should ever be. Just like violence, the act of abortion is a reflection of socioeconomic dynamics. If you outlaw abortion it will still occur. If you improve education, living conditions, or resources available to pregnant women you can impact abortion quicker than simply condemning the act.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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A society can either see killing a person as unlawful, or condone it.
Which pretty much strenghthens what I said:

By the very definition of murder, abortion is not murder. Unless you live in a place where it -is- unlawful.
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Near a river
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OK, I get what you guys are saying—"murder" is a legal definition of a killing.

Let's say "homicide" – homicide is a legal term for any killing of a human being by another human being.

So abortion, in some peoples' view, is homicide, because a fetus is a human being. What else would it be? Is a "zygote" not "human"? If not, then we are logically "more human" as we age—the older we get the more human we are. And when we are dead (no longer living) we are not classified as human, obviously because we are not breathing. So a truly murdered victim is not human....round and round....
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Old 05-01-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Virginia Beach
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Let's say "homicide" – homicide is a legal term for any killing of a human being by another human being.
That all depends on the fetus being a human "being". A fetus is by all means a human. Being is something that gets a little stickier to argue.
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:00 PM
 
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That all depends on the fetus being a human "being". A fetus is by all means a human. Being is something that gets a little stickier to argue.

Fetus is Latin for offspring.
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Old 05-01-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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To my mind, such acts are forms of domestic terrorism, pure and simple.

There are those who will quibble with this comparison. They will argue that abortion is protected by the man-made laws of our nation. My response to that is simple. Abortion is absolutely unlawful according to the natural law and therefore we are well within our rights to use the characterization in this instance.
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