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Old 05-10-2013, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Which is why I'm against the government (via courts) involved in marriage and divorce. Family and divorce courts are both criminal organizations.

Feminists and their male lackeys are perfectly fine with this.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:48 PM
 
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According to Salary Expert, the average annual salary of a tax attorney was $100,000 as of early 2011.
In 2010 the averages were in Big 4 accounting firms around $70-75,000; Company around $80-100,000; Big Law around $110-160,000.
This site covers the averages for 2013: Demand for Tax Lawyers 2013 | Salary By State

Lawyers are not as lavishly paid as everyone thinks. Sure, some make the big bucks, and this guy might have even been one of them, but most while doing extremely well compared to the average worker, aren't so rich they can fork out over $204,000 a year. I know my husband doesn't even make anywhere near that much a year.
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Unpaid child support has reached more than 100 billion dollars in the United States in 2011.child support has reached more than 100 billion dollars in the United States in 2011.
Other Services - The Custodial Support Foundation

It's not that this woman has been awarded too much, or that that one has been awarded too little, or this or that. It's that people (almost always men) are NOT paying child support, do not want to pay child support, and are fighting the paying of child support.

This has always been the case throughout history. The number of children raised to adulthood on only the woman's salary, woman as mother and father, throughout history, is astounding. Deadbeats are not new. What is new is that there are now laws that allow a father to be penalized when he refuses to support the child he had a 50% hand in creating.

The moment laws were enacted to crack down on deadbeats, it almost seemed as if every misogynist started coming out of the woodwork, whining and whining. A few of them created "men's rights" groups. (Love that name - men's rights - how much more specious can a name get?) And they've been lathering the web with their saliva complaining about having to pay child support (and, to a lesser degree alimony, since so few people get alimony) and doing a lot of self-promotion.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:50 PM
 
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That's another thing American men should be aware of - if your marriage does fall apart, there will be those who cheer your downfall, and regard it with glee. Sometimes the best way to win is not to play the game in the first place...
Are you saying that in the U.S. it's a trend to cheer the downfall of marriages? I don't think it is. In fact, I think people in the U.S. see the failure of a marriage as a sad event.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:51 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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He is probably an outstanding father and husband. It doesn't matter. Men are assumed to be the bad guy is all divorces, and the courts follow that assumption. What is fair and right is of no matter. My ex destroyed my life in a similar fashion. Its a crapshoot, as to the judge you wind up with.
You know these people like to blame men for failed relationships.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:52 PM
 
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Actually, no but what does that have to do with anything? I just feel women need to stand on their own two feet.
I agree, and that's how I view my life, but as we know, not everyone is as lucky as we are.

As for what it has to do with, I asked because of the undercurrent of misogyny running through every conservative movement.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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Spoken like a true statist
It's no big secret that most females prefer marriage to be a state and federal legislation.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:54 PM
 
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Her pay out was $768K over 6 years. It all depends on his income and how long they were married to know if that's reasonable or not.

It makes me nuts when people complain about alimony in situations where one spouse stayed at home and the other makes a very high income. The reason one spouse is usually home is to make it possible for the other spouse to work 24/7 to build their career. It's a sacrifice by the stay at home spouse, usually because it makes everyone else's life easier to have a 24/7 "wife and mom" to keep things running, even if it's not a whole lot of fun for mom, and she winds up taking care of EVERYTHING that both spouses normally cover together. When the complaining is coming from women, I think a lot of it is sour grapes. They wanted to stay home because it sounds WONDERFUL and they didn't get the chance. The reality is spending half your time in the car hauling kids, and the other half doing laundry, running errands, making sure home work is done, and cooking/cleaning. I was home when my kids were little, and although I adore them, I couldn't wait for them to get older so I could go back to work and spend my days with grownups. I stayed at home because it made life for my FAMILY easier--it was a lot of hard work for me, and it set back my own career. I'd LOVE to have a stay at home wife to take care of everything for me. It stinks to be one.
I agree, and it's incredible to me that the response to alimony and child support from the spouse that got the opportunity to work outside the home, should be, "I DON'T CARE, IT'S MY MONEY." They have to be slapped into reality with: no it isn't "your" money.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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I am a woman, and a feminist and this is beyond bs. Alimony in most cases is just legal extortion plain and simple. I understand giving temporary alimony to a spouse who stayed out of the workforce to raise kids but then re enters the workforce or for those who are too old to become employable. I do not support it otherwise.

This is partly why I avoid divorced dads like the plague because many end up paying for their ex wife and the new wife often has to help support this lazy dead weight too.
Exactly!
(I'm a feminist Liberal)
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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Butchy feminists paiinting all men with the same deadbeat dad brush. There is no excuse this mans case shouldnt be based on its individual merits I dont care how many deadbeat dads came before him.

Your constant arguments of anecdotes and overreaching generalizations with a radical feminist bent are weak and pathetic




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Here's what's at the bottom of this:

Unpaid child support has reached more than 100 billion dollars in the United States in 2011.child support has reached more than 100 billion dollars in the United States in 2011.
Other Services - The Custodial Support Foundation

It's not that this woman has been awarded too much, or that that one has been awarded too little, or this or that. It's that people (almost always men) are NOT paying child support, do not want to pay child support, and are fighting the paying of child support.

This has always been the case throughout history. The number of children raised to adulthood on only the woman's salary, woman as mother and father, throughout history, is astounding. Deadbeats are not new. What is new is that there are now laws that allow a father to be penalized when he refuses to support the child he had a 50% hand in creating.

The moment laws were enacted to crack down on deadbeats, it almost seemed as if every misogynist started coming out of the woodwork, whining and whining. A few of them created "men's rights" groups. (Love that name - men's rights - how much more specious can a name get?) And they've been lathering the web with their saliva complaining about having to pay child support (and, to a lesser degree alimony, since so few people get alimony) and doing a lot of self-promotion.
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Old 05-10-2013, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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It's not that this woman has been awarded too much, or that that one has been awarded too little, or this or that. It's that people (almost always men) are NOT paying child support, do not want to pay child support, and are fighting the paying of child support.

Child support is a must. It's alimony I have trouble with.
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