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Old 05-10-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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Stop repeating yourself like a f broken record. A court order is to be complied with. Don't comply? Go to jail.
Spoken like a true statist
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:41 AM
 
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Stop repeating yourself like a f broken record. A court order is to be complied with. Don't comply? Go to jail.
I've had "conversations" with you on CD before. Every single time, when it comes to actually answering a tough question, you resort to personal attacks.

This reflects poorly on you. Answer the question: would you be OK with paying your ex $12,000 a month? BTW, I know you have an ex from previous conversations.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:44 AM
 
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Oh I see. The dude is rich, his kids lived rich, but you want him to be able to pay $500 a week. Excuse me while I laugh my ***** off.

You "men's rights" groups people are nuts.
You avoided answering the question. Again.

Why should the mother, who is a lawyer, get 2.5 times in alimony what the kids get in child support?

Answer the question. Obviously, you can't answer it, because when you are faced with an answer you cannot justify, you resort to personal attacks. Try to stay on topic.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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I've had "conversations" with you on CD before. Every single time, when it comes to actually answering a tough question, you resort to personal attacks.

This reflects poorly on you. Answer the question: would you be OK with paying your ex $12,000 a month? BTW, I know you have an ex from previous conversations.
I've already responded to your question amply concerning what each person is allocated to pay in child support. If you would like an answer to that question again, go read my previous posts in case you haven't already.

I have ZERO respect for misogynists, so if I'm not being Ms. Delightful right now, it's now clear why.

As for your taking offense at my insulting "men's rights" groups, if you're not part of one, why would you take offense?
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Bronx, New York
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It's not about what anyone deserves. These decisions are based on income and assets. I'm sure if it was about what she deserves he would think $2 would be too much...which he does and that's why his a** is in jail.


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On what planet does ANYONE deserve $12,000 a MONTH in alimony on top of $5000/mo in child support?
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:58 AM
 
Location: NC
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I've already responded to your question amply concerning what each person is allocated to pay in child support. If you would like an answer to that question again, go read my previous posts in case you haven't already.

I have ZERO respect for misogynists, so if I'm not being Ms. Delightful right now, it's now clear why.

As for your taking offense at my insulting "men's rights" groups, if you're not part of one, why would you take offense?
just wow....
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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Any man who chooses to get married in a state like Colorado (or the US at large to an extent) is indeed doing it at his own risk, and has to accept that a vindictive ex-spouse can often use the system to demolish his finances and even his personal liberty. That's just the risk you run, and it probably does account for at least some of the "marriage slump" that has been going on over the past few decades.

The larger question is one that few people seem to ask - is it actually appropriate to use the criminal justice system to enforce what are fundamentally civil judgments? It didn't used to work that way. Now it does. Something to consider well before you consider marriage itself...
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:31 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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She was awarded $144,000 a year in alimony plus $60,000 a year in child support. While $60,000 seems like a lot of money it isn't unwarranted for a well paid father. It is the $144,000 part that is ludicrous. Basically this guy is being required to pay $204,000 a year in after tax money. Based on a 70% after-tax standard, which is said to be Colorado's average, that means he has to earn at least $290,000 just to pay her. Based on the amount of ordered child support, according to the Colorado mandatory child support formula, he earns around $353,000 a year. That leaves him with around $63,000 or around $44,000 post-tax per year. Even if she is the one paying the taxes on that $144,000, how is that fair? I am sure he ended up being saddled with much, if not most, of the couples outstanding debts which were undertaken at a much higher income. It is no wonder he didn't pay. Also, it would take only 6 months to get over $100,000 behind.

I think the stay-at-home parent needs to be taken care of for a time equal to the time out of the workforce after divorce, but not at this punitive of a level.

It is also possible that his income did diminish during or after the divorce because he wasn't performing at as high of a level. Lawyers get paid by billable hours, not just by salary, and if you aren't functioning, you aren't getting paid.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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The parties’ marriage ended in 2010 and husband was ordered to pay wife $5000 per month in child support and maintenance of $12,000 per month for four years, followed by $8000 per month for two years. Thereafter, husband, who was a tax attorney and partner at a large law firm, did not comply with his obligations, resulting in the accumulation of $101,486 in support arrearages and the suspension of his law license. Wife then moved for a QDRO to collect the arrearages from the funds held in husband’s ERISA retirement plan at the law firm.

Husband objected, contending that Colorado and federal law prohibited assigning his retirement funds to wife to pay the arrearages. The trial court disagreed and ordered him to transfer the funds to wife using a QDRO. After husband did not comply, the court ordered that the QDRO transfer be completed without his signature, that he reimburse wife for her attorney fees incurred because of his noncompliance, and that the suspension of his previous contempt sentence for violating other court orders be lifted. This appeal followed.

Source: Judicial View > State Cases > Colorado > Domestic Relations > Drexler v Bruce
So what you're saying is that he refused to pay his child support and alimony, and as a result he became in arrears, subsequently losing his source of income by losing his law license, and now he's whining about it. I knew there had to be more to the story. No one has any way of knowing if those were unreasonable amounts of child support and alimony unless they know what his income was. Tax attorneys, especially those in large firms, are some of the highest paid attorneys in the country. He could have very easily been making three (or much more, depending on the firm) or four times the $200K/year he was required to pay his family temporarily. He could be making well over a million a year--tax attorneys in large firms make big bucks.
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Old 05-10-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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The larger question is one that few people seem to ask - is it actually appropriate to use the criminal justice system to enforce what are fundamentally civil judgments? It didn't used to work that way. Now it does. Something to consider well before you consider marriage itself...
At times it is. Otherwise, what other repercussion do you have if someone refuses to abide by the court's rulings?. The use of the criminal justice system is not what I have issue with, it is the amount this woman was awarded.
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