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Old 05-10-2013, 10:51 AM
 
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On average, the global average temperature is practically the same. Incoming radiation is equal to outgoing radiation. Yet over millions of years, very insignificant and very minimal daily changes have sent the earth between a ball of ice and a ball of fire.

...Consider the different heat retention properties of things like water and land.
...Consider the physical differences between solid water and water vapor and it's significance to weather.
...Consider the heat retention of the various gases in the atmosphere.
...Consider the fact that the night and day temperatures vary greatly on Mercury and aren't present on Venus.
...Consider the light blocking properties of matter in the atmosphere.
...Consider the temperature inversion in the atmosphere
...Consider the average temperature of the hydrosphere.
...Consider slow moving ocean currents.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:18 AM
 
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You know, I've always found it interesting that the very same people who push the scientific theory of evolution, in which nature is the end-all and be-all molding force behind every single living organism, refuse to even entertain the notion that climate change is a completely natural occurrence.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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I thought conservatives believed that nothing existed before humans.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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You know, I've always found it interesting that the very same people who push the scientific theory of evolution, in which nature is the end-all and be-all molding force behind every single living organism, refuse to even entertain the notion that climate change is a completely natural occurrence.
Climate change IS a natural occurrence. However, man is altering some things by digging stuff up and burning it.

What I want to know is the pros, cons, and significance of such alterations.

...Jury is apparently still out (and I don't think they are going to return with an answer any time soon) but some people act like there is a verdict.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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I thought conservatives believed that nothing existed before humans.
Only some sectors of conservatism believe (and teach) that.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:27 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I thought conservatives believed that nothing existed before humans.
Why do you refer to what you do here, as "thought"?
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:47 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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On average, the global average temperature is practically the same. Incoming radiation is equal to outgoing radiation. Yet over millions of years, very insignificant and very minimal daily changes have sent the earth between a ball of ice and a ball of fire.

...Consider the different heat retention properties of things like water and land.
...Consider the physical differences between solid water and water vapor and it's significance to weather.
...Consider the heat retention of the various gases in the atmosphere.
...Consider the fact that the night and day temperatures vary greatly on Mercury and aren't present on Venus.
...Consider the light blocking properties of matter in the atmosphere.
...Consider the temperature inversion in the atmosphere
...Consider the average temperature of the hydrosphere.
...Consider slow moving ocean currents.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:50 AM
 
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You know, I've always found it interesting that the very same people who push the scientific theory of evolution, in which nature is the end-all and be-all molding force behind every single living organism, refuse to even entertain the notion that climate change is a completely natural occurrence.
Climate change is a completely natural occurrence. The current EXTREMELY RAPID changes we're seeing in the climate is not a natural occurrence.

Extinction is a completely natural occurrence. The EXTREMELY RAPID rate of extinction we're seeing today by rapid deforestation in the tropics is not a natural occurrence.

Evolution is a natural molding force. The EXTREMELY RAPID rate of breed creation in dogs in the Victorian era was not a natural occurrence.

Forest fires are a natural occurrence. The EXTREMELY hot, rampant, large forest fires that are occurring due to fire suppression practices are not a natural occurrence.

The eutrophication of a lake as it ages is a natural occurrence. The EXTREMELY RAPID eutrophication of a lake because we dump a bunch of sewage into it is not a natural occurrence.

So yes, humans have the ability to speed up, slow down, worsen and sometimes even improve natural processes.
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:51 AM
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Dinosour farts
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Old 05-10-2013, 11:57 AM
 
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You know what this debate is. .


Correlation and causation


a debate on what is the right causation, when all we have is various datapoints of correlation. I do think man has made an impact, and that impact is having a change. . . but i'm, right now, not concerned about it to much. If we really cause significant climate change the chances are the people in the worst areas will be the ones screwed, and we will still be fat, dumb and happy.
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