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Old 05-14-2013, 02:49 PM
 
Location: Dublin, CA
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The way this government is going we're all going to have an interlock.
Good. Should be standard equipment on all cars. As I said, needs to be expanded for drugs too.
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Old 05-14-2013, 04:02 PM
 
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America's not Europe. Outside of New York DC and Chicago public transit is nonexistent and walking is not an option due to sprawl.
Urban or Tummy?
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Old 05-14-2013, 05:35 PM
 
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Surely this will have support in Washington.

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Old 05-15-2013, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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I think that impairment, not alcohol concentration, should be measured because coordination and balance are more accurate indicators of driving ability than alcohol concentration. Just because concentration is simple and less subjectively measured does not make it better just easier. Lowering the "limit" of alcohol concentration will not prevent drunken driving accidents because drunks will drive anyway but will make revenue producing convictions easier. This is not safety legislation but implementing another regressive tax.

I do not drive after drinking alcohol. I either stay put or have a designated driver. I rarely drink in bars (too expensive) or while out for dinner. My preferred location and time is Friday evening in my favorite chair with a glass of water and a shot or several of Jim Beams Black.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:04 AM
 
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This sure seems to be the nanny state gone mad
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:54 AM
 
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My state law says no driving if "impaired to the slightest degree". .08 is just considered proof. So they can, and do, give out DUIs for less than .08 if you show any sign at all that you might not be in top form.
This is true. It's the same way here. You can be charged already for .5 if you are showing signs of intoxication. With that being the case this looks to me to be a case of trying to increase fines not make the roads safer.
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Old 05-15-2013, 05:56 AM
 
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Surely this will have support in Washington.

I get the feeling that he didn't enjoy that beer very much....I don't know why....that just looks like a very contrived sip
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:01 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I sure wouldn't want to own a restaurant or bar if this passes.
Most people don't drink more than two drinks with their meal, and if they do, they should probably ask someone else to drive.

For some people 0.8 is not much, but for some others it is a lot.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:03 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Ah, thanks for that. .08 isn't even drunk so I'd rather subsidize public transport than lower the limit. Based on this chart 2 drinks in one hour will get you to .05 for most people.

Blood Alcohol Concentration (BAC) - In The Know Zone
Some people (like my wife) cannot be allowed to drive after two drinks.
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Old 05-15-2013, 06:04 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I believe Japan's BAC is roughly equivalent to .03 or .02 and after having lived there for years, I can say there is very little effect on the hospitality industry. In fact, Japan has one of the most vibrant hospitality industries in any country I've ever been. Many of their bars stay open 24/7 or may close for just a few hours in the morning to clean up.

Of course, they also have one of the best mass transit systems in the world so there really is no excuse whatsoever to drink and drive. You're never more than half a mile from a train station, taxi stand, bus stop, or bicycle storage. Well, at least in Tokyo it's like that.
Sweden has it at 0.2, and that is too low, because with smaller individuals, even one drink can get you over the limit.
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