Ruh roh! Defense keeping powder dry on Trayvon's character (illegal, racist, Miami)
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I think character evidence is a Pandora's box. Zimmerman's lawyers could try to go that way, but it might come back to bit them in the ass since it may sometimes crack the door to the DA to come at you.
Character evidence is often highly restricted, because it often take away from what really happened and has people judging an incident on a whole lot of unrelated background stuff. It is also like playing with fire if you are the defense because you are opening a whole area the DA often cannot go into. I think it is odd that they are going this way, but I don't know what their position is so it might be their only hope.
You think this matters why? It doesn't matter what GZ knew in advance. There's no suggestion that GZ said, "Hey, this guys has a history of being a criminal, so I can kill him." The point of looking at TM's history, all these texts and photos, is to illuminate the situation in which he got shot. The guy who shot him has made some statements, regarding the behavior, the look, the attitude of the guy he shot. The history & background on that guy will go a long way toward showing whether GZs claims are believable. Is this behavior consistent with behavior previously exhibited by TM, or is it completely out of the ordinary for him?
It matters b/c GZ needed to have some "cause" to get into this altercation with TM. See below:
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Originally Posted by MiamiRob
Trayvon's past history is meaningless here! George Zimmermann was told by 911 not to follow Trayvon Martin and to stay in his car! The police were on their way!
Trayvon was walking back from a 7-11 to his father's house and Zimmermann disobeyed the 911 dispatchers!
I guess it's ok to shoot a "unarmed" teenager in the heart and claim it was self defense?
Trayvon did not approach Zimmerman! He did aproach Trayvon!
Does a 911 dispatcher actually have any authority to "tell" someone what to do?
When the 911 dispatcher told Zimmermann, "We don't need you to do that," was Zimmerman still in his car, or was he already out of it, trying to keep track of Martin? And after he was told, "We don't need you to do that," does it not sound like he did stop running, and was having a calm discussion with the dispatcher? From where do you get the idea that Zimmerman kept chasing him?
Do you have ANY, and I do mean ABSOLUTELY ANY, proof of your assertion that "Trayvon didn't approach Zimmermann"? Or is that just what you want to believe?
There has been a lot made of the fact that the 911 operator is not a police officer. However, sometimes police assigned to "desk duty" d/t injuries do staff the 911 line. Also, the 911 operator is certainly an employee of the police dept. and trained to know what to tell people.
There has been a lot made of the fact that the 911 operator is not a police officer. However, sometimes police assigned to "desk duty" d/t injuries do staff the 911 line. Also, the 911 operator is certainly an employee of the police dept. and trained to know what to tell people.
Zimmerman outranked the 911 operator - He was CAPTAIN of his Neighborhood Watch!
Zimmerman outranked the 911 operator - He was CAPTAIN of his Neighborhood Watch!
Besides that, the operator was a WOMAN!
Though the dispatcher was a MAN, gz outranked everyone because he had a gun, once hit a woman and pushed a cop, took ADDERALL, and his father was a retired Magistrate from Virginia.
Though the dispatcher was a MAN, gz outranked everyone because he had a gun, once hit a woman and pushed a cop, took ADDERALL, and his father was a retired Magistrate from Virginia.
Zimmermann profiled this kid because he was black and looked "thuggish"! Whatever that means to anybody!
His paranoia led him to disobey the 911 dispatchers who told him not follow Trayvon!
What part of "don't follow him" is not apparent? He did persue this kid and he confronted him. Trayvon was walking back to his father's house and wanted to see the college basketball playoffs.
The 911 tapes show that Zimmermann called him suspicious! Not breaking into a house but he was wearing a "hoodie"! Geez a "thug" now! Zimmermann is a racist.
You have to be smoking something yourself to believe that any prior evidence of Martin engaging in fights will not be allowed by the judge or not utilized by the defense. The drug stuff may be disallowed, any prior history of fighting will certainly come out.
What you have is a case where a man shoots an individual with a prior history of violence when he is on his back being assaulted. This is a slam dunk case. Zimmerman will walk.
There should be a law against being as dumb as George.; there ain't.
You have to be smoking something yourself to believe that any prior evidence of Martin engaging in fights will not be allowed by the judge or not utilized by the defense. The drug stuff may be disallowed, any prior history of fighting will certainly come out.
What you have is a case where a man shoots an individual with a prior history of violence when he is on his back being assaulted. This is a slam dunk case. Zimmerman will walk.
There should be a law against being as dumb as George.; there ain't.
Zimmermann profiled this kid because he was black and looked "thuggish"! Whatever that means to anybody!
His paranoia led him to disobey the 911 dispatchers who told him not follow Trayvon!
What part of "don't follow him" is not apparent? He did persue this kid and he confronted him. Trayvon was walking back to his father's house and wanted to see the college basketball playoffs.
The 911 tapes show that Zimmermann called him suspicious! Not breaking into a house but he was wearing a "hoodie"! Geez a "thug" now! Zimmermann is a racist.
Location: miami, fla. enjoying the relative cool, for now ;)
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Originally Posted by MiamiRob
Zimmermann profiled this kid because he was black and looked "thuggish"! Whatever that means to anybody!
His paranoia led him to disobey the 911 dispatchers who told him not follow Trayvon!
What part of "don't follow him" is not apparent? He did persue this kid and he confronted him. Trayvon was walking back to his father's house and wanted to see the college basketball playoffs.
The 911 tapes show that Zimmermann called him suspicious! Not breaking into a house but he was wearing a "hoodie"! Geez a "thug" now! Zimmermann is a racist.
miamirob, is there a thug you don't have a crush on?
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