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Or he was running to hide something before attacking the fat guy.
He didn't know gz was armed. He'd have run home or stayed hidden if he knew.
He never described the guy as crazy or creepy. Those were phone friend's words.
Why would he run and hide something before attacking Zimmerman? Seems a rather convoluted explanation to me. People generally don't run off and hide something illegal and then go back to beat up the person who was making them nervous about the illegal thing in the first place.
And if we can't accept the testimony of Martin's "phone friend" why should we accept Zimmerman's testimony?
The decision in the case will come down to the evidence and how that evidence is interpreted through Florida's self defense laws.
Hearsay, weak evidence, and unprovable theory about what happened will be discredited by both the defense and the prosecution, and what will remain is the hard evidence.
The evidence:
A 9/11 recording
Bloody contusions to Zimmerman's head and face, consistent with being beaten while lying on his back.
Marks on Martin's hands consistent with beating another person.
No offensive marks on Zimmerman's hands.
Trayvon Martin, deceased from a wound made by a bullet fired from Zimmerman's pistol.
Much detail of the incident can't be proven either way, and therefore unprovable details are functionally irrelevant to the court's decision despite any claims by the prosecution or the defense. Their relative claims on the following will likely differ: who was following who and when, whether or not Zimmerman mentioned or brandished his firearm at any time before the trigger was pulled, what was said by either Zimmerman or Martin to one another at any time before the physical confrontation and killing, and the true motivation of either before and leading up to the incident.
About self defense laws:
In most states, if you are being severely beaten you have the right to defend yourself with the use of deadly force. Zimmerman's firearm was legally owned and carried. The evidence proves that Zimmerman was taking a severe one sided beating by Martin prior to his firing of the pistol. The hard evidence doesn't show much else, and so Zimmerman will walk. Absent evidence that indisputably proves extenuating or contrary circumstances, Americans should be okay with that decision.
This isn't the movies and a citizen of this country, no matter how angry or self-justified, cannot physically attack another without exposing himself to great legal and physical risk. Attacking another human being is a big-boy decision. Think of the worst thing that you can say or do to another human being short of a physical attack. If I were doing it to you or you to me, still neither of us would have a legal justification to physically attack the other. This includes following, name calling, personal space invasion, and whatever else you can think of. Mature, responsible individuals handle such abuses through other avenues, or we learn to get over perceived personal sleights because the potential consequences of a physical altercation, both legal and physical, are too severe. In contrast with television, death often results from physical violence and by a variety of means (accidental and purposeful). Further, it is sometimes legal in execution when justified by self-defense laws. Reality is rife with adult rules and decisions. The fact is that there is no hard evidence that Zimmerman did anything illegal before the incident took place. In contrast, Martin made the decision to commit a felony at the time of the shooting when he decided to beat on Zimmerman's face and head. Unless it an be proven that Martin was defending himself from a physical attack by Zimmerman, for which there is no evidence, then the evidence will hold that Martin initiated and sustained the physical aggression until the time of the shooting. No matter what Zimmerman did, short of physically attacking Martin first, there is no legal justification for that. Florida's self defense laws will take over from there.
The only factor that would and should change the court's decision is if Florida's self defense laws are different than what I am assuming them to be.
The decision in the case will come down to the evidence and how that evidence is interpreted through Florida's self defense laws.
Hearsay, weak evidence, and unprovable theory about what happened will be discredited by both the defense and the prosecution, and what will remain is the hard evidence.
Credibility of statements given to the police by defendant?
What if the jury believes that the defendant lied about key events?
I'm curious, was Zimmerman Mirandized prior to his transcribed interview with the police detectives?
Anyone know when Zimmerman first asked for an attorney?
Was his attorney present at the transcribed interrogation?
There are remedies for "detectives lying" at some point.......especially when they've tape recorded the interview or had a court reporter present taking it down.....although I do agree with you that they will lie to get someone to confess, even someone who did not do the crime.....and all the attacks on Miranda these days are NOT HELPING. I once knew of a defendant who signed a waiver of his Miranda rights and signed a confession in exchange for a hamburger. He was hungry, very hungry, and tired and RETARDED. Yes, his IQ was in the low retarded range.
And then we have detectives like Mark Furman (of the O.J. trial fame).
Do you happen to know what a Brady violation is and what usually happens when there is one? Also, you have still not answered the questions about getting strikes during jury selection and how that affects the composition of the jury; Do you know?
I have a real question for you.
In her interview with the state, the phone friend and proseutor Bernie had this exchange:
[LEFT]Dee Dee: He would never fight, that’s the problem. BDLR: He was not one of those people? Dee Dee: Hmm-mmm [No]. BDLR: OK… Dee Dee:He would never fight.[/LEFT] BDLR: OK. Thank you very much.
If that statement comes into evidence or she is actually called to testify, would it open the door for the defense to use the fighting video and other fighting stuff they have to attack her credibilty?
The decision in the case will come down to the evidence and how that evidence is interpreted through Florida's self defense laws.
Hearsay, weak evidence, and unprovable theory about what happened will be discredited by both the defense and the prosecution, and what will remain is the hard evidence.
The evidence:
A 9/11 recording
Bloody contusions to Zimmerman's head and face, consistent with being beaten while lying on his back.
Marks on Martin's hands consistent with beating another person.
No offensive marks on Zimmerman's hands.
Trayvon Martin, deceased from a wound made by a bullet fired from Zimmerman's pistol.
Much detail of the incident can't be proven either way, and therefore unprovable details are functionally irrelevant to the court's decision despite any claims by the prosecution or the defense. Their relative claims on the following will likely differ: who was following who and when, whether or not Zimmerman mentioned or brandished his firearm at any time before the trigger was pulled, what was said by either Zimmerman or Martin to one another at any time before the physical confrontation and killing, and the true motivation of either before and leading up to the incident.
About self defense laws:
In most states, if you are being severely beaten you have the right to defend yourself with the use of deadly force. Zimmerman's firearm was legally owned and carried. The evidence proves that Zimmerman was taking a severe one sided beating by Martin prior to his firing of the pistol. The hard evidence doesn't show much else, and so Zimmerman will walk. Absent evidence that indisputably proves extenuating or contrary circumstances, Americans should be okay with that decision.
This isn't the movies and a citizen of this country, no matter how angry or self-justified, cannot physically attack another without exposing himself to great legal and physical risk. Attacking another human being is a big-boy decision. Think of the worst thing that you can say or do to another human being short of a physical attack. If I were doing it to you or you to me, still neither of us would have a legal justification to physically attack the other. This includes following, name calling, personal space invasion, and whatever else you can think of. Mature, responsible individuals handle such abuses through other avenues, or we learn to get over perceived personal sleights because the potential consequences of a physical altercation, both legal and physical, are too severe. In contrast with television, death often results from physical violence and by a variety of means (accidental and purposeful). Further, it is sometimes legal in execution when justified by self-defense laws. Reality is rife with adult rules and decisions. The fact is that there is no hard evidence that Zimmerman did anything illegal before the incident took place. In contrast, Martin made the decision to commit a felony at the time of the shooting when he decided to beat on Zimmerman's face and head. Unless it an be proven that Martin was defending himself from a physical attack by Zimmerman, for which there is no evidence, then the evidence will hold that Martin initiated and sustained the physical aggression until the time of the shooting. No matter what Zimmerman did, short of physically attacking Martin first, there is no legal justification for that. Florida's self defense laws will take over from there.
The only factor that would and should change the court's decision is if Florida's self defense laws are different than what I am assuming them to be.
Nope,nope,nope. He killed a black person, not just any but a black kid! No matter what that kid did he shouldn't have been shot. It's fine if he beat G.Z. into a coma, he deserved it for daring to get out of his truck to see where a running hoody clad person was going, maybe to tell the cops since they were roaring over lights and siren to save the day as usual.
We all know the police are there to take care of everything and protect everyone from harm so no one should ever look to protect themselves or property. Let 'em go, it's not worth it.
Worked well on highjacked airlines and oh so many robberies where they shoot the clerk regardless.
It was made very,very clear where we stand when SCOTUS ruled the police have no duty to protect.
Nope,nope,nope. He killed a black person, not just any but a black kid! No matter what that kid did he shouldn't have been shot. It's fine if he beat G.Z. into a coma, he deserved it for daring to get out of his truck to see where a running hoody clad person was going, maybe to tell the cops since they were roaring over lights and siren to save the day as usual.
We all know the police are there to take care of everything and protect everyone from harm so no one should ever look to protect themselves or property. Let 'em go, it's not worth it.
Worked well on highjacked airlines and oh so many robberies where they shoot the clerk regardless.
It was made very,very clear where we stand when SCOTUS ruled the police have no duty to protect.
World wide? The French are the biggest supporters of Mummia bar none. As for racist cops in Philadelphia... yeah there some, like any other large metropolitan department.
Huh, is'nt France considered to be part of the "worldwide" collectivism?
jimj, Martin had one small scar on his right hand. And that was all. According to the autopsy report.
Zimmerman claimed Martin hit him 25-30 times on nose, face. Even the detective called Zimmerman on that one.
If Zimmerman had been hit that many times his nose and face would have been a bloody pulp. Most of Zimmerman's face had no blood at all. Also, if Martin had hit him that many times his hands would have been pretty banged up as well. They weren't.
Marks on Martin's hands were NOT consistent with beating another person.
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