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Old 06-02-2013, 12:11 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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The correct scientific description for racial differences would actually be Haplogroups or Phenotypes. Those are the names for genetic difference between groups/populations. But "Race" is what has stuck with people over the years because that's just the cultural name society has given it. It may not be an accurate description. *shrug*

But to deny that those racial differences don't exist is an opinion not based on reality or science.
A Haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in all haplotypes. Read about Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve (all humans share these 2 common ancestors from AFRICA.)


A Phenotype is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior.
Being that every human alive is a homo sapiens, all humans should have the same phenotype.

I believe "ethnic group" is the correct term to use.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:13 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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If you want to go there then sure. Let's get started. There's one particular comment you made that I'm thrilled to address. (i'm all giddy with excitement)

This one:



That difference my friend. Is called Heritability.

Here's a brief video demonstration of Heritability:

Definition of heritability:

Heritability - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

We are not talking about frogs...

In human beings (homo sapiens) in 2013, in the United States of America....what difference does it make if someone has blue eyes or brown eyes. What difference does it make if someone has straight hair or kinky hair? What difference does it make if someone has round eyes or almond shaped eyes?
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:16 AM
 
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A Haplogroup is a group of similar haplotypes that share a common ancestor having the same single nucleotide polymorphism (SNP) mutation in all haplotypes. Read about Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve (all humans share these 2 common ancestors from AFRICA.)


A Phenotype is the composite of an organism's observable characteristics or traits, such as its morphology, development, biochemical or physiological properties, phenology, behavior, and products of behavior.
Being that every human alive is a homo sapiens, all humans should have the same phenotype.

I believe "ethnic group" is the correct term to use.
I'm not so sure about that.

If you look at the haplogroup map you can clearly see the various haplogroups and their geographical predominance:



I'm not a scientist or anything so I don't really have the authority to decide on what the genetic difference should be called.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:19 AM
 
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We are not talking about frogs...

In human beings (homo sapiens) in 2013, in the United States of America....what difference does it make if someone has blue eyes or brown eyes. What difference does it make if someone has straight hair or kinky hair? What difference does it make if someone has round eyes or almond shaped eyes?
No...you miss the point. The frog example is just an example, it's used to explain the concept of heritability. Did you watch the whole video? Watch the video from start to finish and you'll understand what heritability means.

If you understand heritability and the implications of it, you'd know that heritability theory also means that people of different racial groups are predisposed to behave and think differently and that the cause of this is primarily genetic and less so environment.

Watch the video.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:23 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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No...you miss the point. The frog example is just an example, it's used to explain the concept of heritability. Did you watch the whole video? Watch the video from start to finish and you'll understand what heritability means.

If you understand heritability and the implications of it, you'd know that heritability theory also means that people of different racial groups are predisposed to behave and think differently and that the cause of this is primarily genetic and less so environment.

Watch the video.

Answer the question....what difference does it make (in homo sapiens, in 2013, in the United States of America) if someone has blue eyes or green eyes; red hair or black hair; thin hair or thick hair; a thin nose or a broad nose; is tall or short; curly hair or straight hair?
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:24 AM
 
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However, culture is NOT a product of one's race. Does a person who is born in the UK or Australia of Chinese ancestry automatically know ALL Chinese cultural traditions simply by being born a person of Chinese ancestry?
Ok, so what we're discussing here is two separate but related topics.

Over thousands of years, humans bred with whomever was geographically closest, in most cases with people who were genetically similar to themselves. These created dominant genes because they were repeated among themselves over thousands of years of evolution. These dominant genes gave rise to distinct ways of seeing the world and distinct cultures.

Now, will an adopted baby from China by white American parents automatically "know" the culture of her homeland? Of course not. However, her genes, which were determined by thousands of years on intra-breeding, may still lead her what we would consider "stereotypical" ways that the Chinese are known for acting.

It's the same with dogs, flowers, anything that you can breed. I know people don't like to think of humans in this way, but just because we're uncomfortable with the topic doesn't make it any less true.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:25 AM
 
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Answer the question....what difference does it make (in homo sapiens, in 2013, in the United States of America) if someone has blue eyes or green eyes; red hair or black hair; thin hair or thick hair; a thin nose or a broad nose; is tall or short; curly hair or straight hair?
Alright.

The difference that it makes is that people with specific physical features carries specific genes. Some of these genes that allows them to have higher IQ's some of these genes allow them to be more prone to violence. Thus those physical features serve as visual markers for who carries what genes. The physical features themselves are harmless. But the genes behind those physical features carries either positive or negative genes.

This is a result of heritability. But you've obviously not bothered to even watch the video or made any attempt to understand it.

Got it? Good.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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Answer the question....what difference does it make (in homo sapiens, in 2013, in the United States of America) if someone has blue eyes or green eyes; red hair or black hair; thin hair or thick hair; a thin nose or a broad nose; is tall or short; curly hair or straight hair?
Calipoppy, you keep asking this question and I answered it three pages ago:


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It's the behavior that makes the difference. The cosmetics (eye color, hair texture, etc.) is just a visual marker telling us what type of behavior to expect. Yes, these are stereotypes. Yes, they are sometimes wrong. But, there is some basis in truth. If there were no basis in truth the stereotypes would have never begun in the first place.
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:28 AM
 
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We are not talking about frogs...

In human beings (homo sapiens) in 2013, in the United States of America....what difference does it make if someone has blue eyes or brown eyes. What difference does it make if someone has straight hair or kinky hair? What difference does it make if someone has round eyes or almond shaped eyes?
These superficial characteristics you keep going on about are just visual cues for shared ancestry. The reason that people of different races share these physical features is because they were genetically isolated for long enough of a time that they developed distinct traits. And not all the differences are just superficial. Any group that breeds in a closed (or relatively closed) gene pool will diverge from other groups. This is a basic fact of biology.

And how long did different human populations or races diverge? For some, tens of thousands of years and even hundreds of thousands of years when you consider that different races interbred with archaic humans. And how is that NOT important?
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Old 06-02-2013, 12:30 AM
 
Location: La lune et les étoiles
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Ok, so what we're discussing here is two separate but related topics.

Over thousands of years, humans bred with whomever was geographically closest, in most cases with people who were genetically similar to themselves. These created dominant genes because they were repeated among themselves over thousands of years of evolution. These dominant genes gave rise to distinct ways of seeing the world and distinct cultures.

Now, will an adopted baby from China by white American parents automatically "know" the culture of her homeland? Of course not. However, her genes, which were determined by thousands of years on intra-breeding, may still lead her what we would consider "stereotypical" ways that the Chinese are known for acting.

It's the same with dogs, flowers, anything that you can breed. I know people don't like to think of humans in this way, but just because we're uncomfortable with the topic doesn't make it any less true.
Or not.

The individual's interests will determine how they act not an arbitrary stereotype based on ancestors from 1000 years ago. The Chinese child adopted by White American parents will most likely decide that she loves Italian food, loves art and history, is great at playing soccer and loves scuba diving. How is any of that predetermined by her genes?
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