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Old 06-09-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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Yes, really.

Like I said, the USSR had been on the verge of collapse since Nixon's presidency. Afghanistan just accelerated it. His speeches were just empty talking points, just like Obama's.

Reagan just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
BS. you're ignoring all the facts of history so that you can affirm your position of imminent demise. None of the people in power who were in charge at the time thought that was the case except Reagan who continually derided the Soviet system.

You have no proof that the demise of the SU was imminent and that it would occur only 8 short years after Reagan's policies were implemented out of pure coincidence.

Prove your point or be dismissed with all the other leftist who were fatally flawed and wrong.
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Old 06-09-2013, 04:03 PM
 
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Start at 55 minutes:
Ronald Reagan's Biography and Legacy - C-SPAN Video Library
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Old 06-09-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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OMG! Not that....well guess what? We as American's were beginning to do quite well..can't say for much now can you?? Before you start spewing "I'm doing just fine." I mean "us" as a whole.


Yeah that's what I thought.
What?
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:11 PM
 
Location: Deep Dirty South
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Any reasonably intelligent person with a basic grasp of recent global history should be aware that Saint Reagan didn't just magically snap his fingers and say "Tear down this wall!" resulting in the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union.

That's revisionist nonsense.

There are all kinds of reasons the SU was heading south anyway (including becoming nearly bankrupted by their involvement in Afghanistan--sound familiar?)

But actual information and the reultant knowledge clearly shows Reagan didn't topple the Soviet Union single-handedly.

Sorry to spoil your little fantasy bedtime story.
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:15 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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Any reasonably intelligent person with a basic grasp of recent global history should be aware that Saint Reagan didn't just magically snap his fingers and say "Tear down this wall!" resulting in the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Union.

That's revisionist nonsense.

There are all kinds of reasons the SU was heading south anyway (including becoming nearly bankrupted by their involvement in Afghanistan--sound familiar?)

But actual information and the reultant knowledge clearly shows Reagan didn't topple the Soviet Union single-handedly.

Sorry to spoil your little fantasy bedtime story.
No the SU failed because merican is the best
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Old 06-09-2013, 05:23 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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BS. you're ignoring all the facts of history so that you can affirm your position of imminent demise. None of the people in power who were in charge at the time thought that was the case except Reagan who continually derided the Soviet system.

You have no proof that the demise of the SU was imminent and that it would occur only 8 short years after Reagan's policies were implemented out of pure coincidence.

Prove your point or be dismissed with all the other leftist who were fatally flawed and wrong.
The USSR had no economy and was in decline for decades, add in an unsupportable military budget and you have an accident waiting to happen.

What Reagan policies do you think led to the downfall?
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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BS. you're ignoring all the facts of history so that you can affirm your position of imminent demise. None of the people in power who were in charge at the time thought that was the case except Reagan who continually derided the Soviet system.

You have no proof that the demise of the SU was imminent and that it would occur only 8 short years after Reagan's policies were implemented out of pure coincidence.

Prove your point or be dismissed with all the other leftist who were fatally flawed and wrong.
What do you mean all the "OTHER" leftists? I'm as far from a leftist as you can get (voluntaryist anarcho-libertarian).

YOU are the one supporting leftist ideology via your support for a leftist Keynesian like Ronald Reagan.

And I suggest you read some history books (not via the U.S. government propaganda machine) and do some basic learning of economics 101. Communism is completely unsustainable and it was patently obvious that the USSR had been on the decline for over 20 years before 1991.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Denver, CO
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The USSR had no economy and was in decline for decades, add in an unsupportable military budget and you have an accident waiting to happen.
+100.

This guy somehow thinks the leftist Keynesian Reagan waved a magic wand and presto, the USSR fell--conveniently ignoring the constant state of war the USSR had been for the previous 50 years.

Kind of sounds like the USSA.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Midwest
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Two really important things Republicans remember and love about Ronald Reagan:

"Mr. G, tear down this wall."

"Government is not the solution to our problems. Government IS the problem."

And let's not forget that Reagan started as a democrat. He came to his senses.

Words are cheap.
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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+100.

This guy somehow thinks the leftist Keynesian Reagan waved a magic wand and presto, the USSR fell--conveniently ignoring the constant state of war the USSR had been for the previous 50 years.

Kind of sounds like the USSA.
Just waiting for the StarWars reasoning.
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