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To reduce the risk of multivictim violence, we would be better advised to focus on early detection and treatment of mental illness. Gun control is not the solution. Do you agree?
To reduce the risk of multivictim violence, we would be better advised to focus on early detection and treatment of mental illness. Gun control is not the solution. Do you agree]
Sure, lets start with sociopaths in congress and the Obama admin first
Something around 25,000 are killed each year, about half from suicides, there are many more than the incidents you quoted and you are definitely wrong on VA Tech, not sure of the others. All those people mentioned in those incidents had some form of mental illness documented and undocumented. Assuming that these people could be put into a program and restricted from gun ownership, what happens without background checks.
Still waiting for an answer, how do you prevent mentally ill from getting guns without universal background checks.
But the impetus for the current push for new gun control legislation is Sandy Hook. Why aren't we looking for approaches that might possibly have prevented it? I suppose getting that point across may be a lost cause. If you want to talk about the 25,000, that's probably best addressed in another thread.
As for VA Tech, no I am not wrong. The VA Tech shooter bought his gun legally, and went through a NICS check.
As for your question...how are do you prevent the mentally ill from getting guns with universal background checks? Take Adam Lanza, who killed his mother and stole her legally purchased (w/ background check) guns. What would be your proposal to prevent him from getting a gun?
Cho (Va. Tech shooter) bought his Glock pistols at a retail location and cleared the background check. The problem was that his mental illness data was not included in the data examined. I think the flaw here is that some in the medical community do not want this data more available than it is.
"Universal background checks" is a phrase thrown about by all sorts of people and the media. What does it mean to you?
One data base that has explicit ground rules for reporting (felons, mentally ill, restraining orders, etc) and applies to all gun sales, not just most sales, all sales or transfers. There is a huge flaw in the mental health reporting system, some states only have around 5 people on the list.
I say the focus should be on mental health. The mass shootings are a separate animal from the street crime homicides. Mass shootings are by the nutjobs that are going to go cause some kind of big headline killings. They'll do something big regardless if they have a gun. Luckily they are very rare. You're twice as likely to be hit by lightning in your life as you will be shot by a mass shooter.
The regular old street criminal is going to get guns anyways--it's a necessary tool for their 'job'. They kill each other mostly, but they also prey on easy (mostly unarmed) non-criminals. Crime rates where gun control is strictest tend to increase--US cities and UK. The thugs are emboldened to commit more robberies, car jackings and home invasions. There are over 2 million instances a year where law abiding citizens have to use a gun for protection where they feel their life was in danger.
So, my thought is you would maybe trade mass shootings for 'mass slashings' or burnings or acid attacks or whatever and at the same time cause 2+ million people to no longer be able to defend themselves...so all kinds of crime will go up because street thugs will still be packing.
Take care of the mental health faction and you might cut down on the mass shooter portion, but allow good citizens to continue to protect themselves.
But the impetus for the current push for new gun control legislation is Sandy Hook. Why aren't we looking for approaches that might possibly have prevented it? I suppose getting that point across may be a lost cause. If you want to talk about the 25,000, that's probably best addressed in another thread.
As for VA Tech, no I am not wrong. The VA Tech shooter bought his gun legally, and went through a NICS check.
As for your question...how are do you prevent the mentally ill from getting guns with universal background checks? Take Adam Lanza, who killed his mother and stole her legally purchased (w/ background check) guns. What would be your proposal to prevent him from getting a gun?
Sandy Hook is far from the only issue at hand but the system worked as Lanza didn't sit through the required waiting period to purchase a gun. Whether he would have been denied is speculation but with the changes in CT law he would never have been able to acquire the guns. That doesn't prevent him from acquiring them by other means, so what's the point do we need to make it easier for people with mental health issues to get guns.
Cho did pass the NCIS background check, actually twice even though he was declared a danger to himself, weak and inconsistent laws in VA prevented him from being reported into the NCIS database.
Something around 25,000 are killed each year, about half from suicides, there are many more than the incidents you quoted and you are definitely wrong on VA Tech, not sure of the others. All those people mentioned in those incidents had some form of mental illness documented and undocumented. Assuming that these people could be put into a program and restricted from gun ownership, what happens without background checks.
Still waiting for an answer, how do you prevent mentally ill from getting guns without universal background checks.
Mandatory reporting by their care providers would cut down on the knowns. They would be added to data base just like felons.
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