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Old 06-12-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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According to conservative logic, it should. After all, it would motivate them to look, and instead of paying taxes towards welfare, the taxpayers will be spending their money, with some of that money going to the workers.

However, the number of people depending on the government to maintain their standard of living has grown so large that eliminating welfare will cause people to riot. Such riots will only empower those sustaining the said dependent life style. It's a downward cycle that can only be stopped by getting the poor to lower their standard of living...

So how exactly do you do THAT?
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:23 PM
 
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I think many people on welfare already do have jobs, they're called the working poor. Many people on welfare are probably also uneducated. Perhaps we should start with education first, that might decrease the need in the future.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:25 PM
 
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There are more people than there are jobs. The unemployment statistics you read are very misleading. In my home county, there's an agriculture city with an official unemployment rate over 20%. You really think fast food joints and big box stores are hiring that many people?
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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I think many people on welfare already do have jobs, they're called the working poor. Many people on welfare are probably also uneducated. Perhaps we should start with education first, that might decrease the need in the future.
The thing is the working poor do not have ENOUGH jobs. They are underemployed, their minimum wage doesn't support them enough to keep them off welfare.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:28 PM
 
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Alot of the poor had kids they can't afford or lost their job and can't afford their kids. The rest are seniors that planned their retirement around SS and medicare. No short term solution I'm afraid.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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There are more people than there are jobs. The unemployment statistics you read are very misleading. In my home county, there's an agriculture city with an official unemployment rate over 20%. You really think fast food joints and big box stores are hiring that many people?
No they aren't and that's the problem. The poor stopped having economic mobility. Right now there are a lot of older people with minimum wage jobs, and for some reason they can't seem to move up.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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Alot of the poor had kids they can't afford or lost their job and can't afford their kids. The rest are seniors that planned their retirement around SS and medicare. No short term solution I'm afraid.
What's the long term solution then? The economy seems to have clogged up on all sectors.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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No telling but things would get ugly pretty fast.

Of course, we're not gonna do that because its a stupid thing to do. All First World nations should have a decent social safety net.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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The easy way to get "the poor" off benefits, is to start making it more difficult to get benefits. For example, require that those who get benefits be drug free. The other way is simply to freeze increases in benefits or even reduce them by a small amount. If you remember, many states started forcing people off welfare, cutting benefits after being on it for so long. They also did job training. Suddenly, people started to find jobs, and this was probably one of the major reasons for the good economy in the middle 90's.

I'm sure there are many areas where jobs are hard to find, but there are also many areas where jobs are available, but people getting unemployment would rather stay home and have their check mailed to them by the govt.
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Old 06-12-2013, 03:34 PM
 
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What I see Here, in and around Chicago as far as the trades go, its not rebounding from the 08 hit very fast at all, I hear it every day, middle class hard workers struggling to just stay a float, It has picked up slightly this spring, but still a long way to go ... I do believe we need safety nets, but flat out abuse needs to be reigned in..
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