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Old 06-14-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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So would this apply to married couples who have a child while on some type of government support?
Oh dear...now it gets complicated.

I'll bite and say why not and include families benefitting from EITC, too.

Remember, it's a choice- not forced.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:37 PM
 
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Single mothers that can't pay the bills must have welfare cut after the first birth, any more kids then no extra cash - and if they can't pay then the kids must be put into an orphanage

I think that is the way to go, right?
For the life of me, I just have never gotten this outrage about welfare. I remember in high school, I took a speech and debate class and one of the first debates I had because this was back in the 1990's was about welfare. I actually had to do some research on the subject and not just go by my gut.

What I found was these families were really poor. The moms didn't have a bunch of children as was the stereotype. Most of the families were off of welfare within 5 years. It didn't create dependency. The families that were on welfare long term had other issues with drugs, or violence or mental health issues, that welfare alone couldn't address, but that wasn't an indictment of welfare only that some families needed welfare in addition to other aid.

The amount of money they received was very little. And they had to jump through embarrassing hoops to receive that paltry sum of money.
Also, the vast overwhelming majority of parents had worked previously before receiving welfare and the vast overwhelming majority worked after.

I remember thinking of all the ways our government spends money on behalf of society, helping moms take care of their children is one of the best uses of public money.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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So, then we pay more for all the associated costs of an orphanage? Also later in life the kid has issues because he/she was put in an orphanage.
Money talks, if they are on welfare, after their first kid on the dole, offer them a free tubal ligation and $500 cash. Offer the baby daddies free vasectomies and $500 cash...I bet you'll get some takers
Are you completely in the dark about orphanages?

Kids aren't going to be nearly as traumatized by an orphanage as they are spending their entire childhood in a dysfunctional, welfare family. Unfortunately, they grow up to think it's normal, and the cycle repeats.

Do you not understand "PRIVATE"?
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Area 51.5
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Orphanages in the U.S. began phasing out after WW2.
Because the government took over.

And, as usual, ruined everything.

Yes, there were government-funded orphanages back then, but most were private.
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Old 06-14-2013, 04:44 PM
 
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You realize that what you're proposing here is a textbook example of negative eugenics right? There's a reason we abandoned that. I suggest you open a book or two and learn something from history before spouting off.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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We would have way to many orphans.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:40 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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And if they have more, you want to hurt the child?

Let me get this straight.
C's don't want birth control, abortion, to support anyone born...

I have no problem with women being forced to use the norplant or other subcutaneous birth control if on any benefits (welfare or unemployment) since they can't take care of themselves, how can they take care of others. Once they're able to take care of themselves, the bc can be removed.

But to deny support for those born, who have a hard enough time of it is disgusting.
It's always so good to deny support to those who need it most.
Do they do that in the country where you live?
And tell me, are you christian?
Seems that they frequently go hand in hand.
THIS. ^^^^

And as soon as there is a Norplant type contraceptive for men on the market.....welfare baby daddys and deadbeat dads should have to be implanted until they start paying their share to support their children.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Allendale MI
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I like how republicans are all for big governemnt.
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:46 PM
 
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Most of these families get well short of $10,000 a year in direct cash assistance.


Table 5. Maximum Monthly TANF Cash Assistance Benefits By Family Size: July 2011
Benefits for a Single Parent and Children


State Two Three Four Five Six
Alabama $190 $215 $245 $275 $305
Alaska 821 923 1,025 1,127 1,229
Arizona 220 278 334 392 449
Arkansas 162 204 247 286 331
California 516 638 762 866 972
Colorado 364 462 561 665 767
Connecticut 544 674 786 886 992
Delaware 270 338 407 475 544
DC 336 428 523 602 708
Florida 241 303 364 426 487
Georgia 235 280 330 378 410
Hawaii 486 610 736 861 986
Idaho 309 309 309 309 309
Illinois 318 432 474 555 623
Indiana 230 288 347 405 464
Iowa 361 426 495 548 610
Kansas 357 429 497 558 619
Kentucky 225 262 328 383 432
Louisiana 188 240 284 327 366
Maine 363 485 611 733 856
Maryland 453 574 695 805 885
Massachusetts 531 633 731 832 936
Michigan 403 492 597 694 828
Minnesota 437 532 621 697 773
Mississippi 146 170 194 218 242
Missouri 234 292 342 388 431
Montana 401 504 606 709 812
Nebraska 293 364 435 506 577
Nevada 318 383 448 513 578
NewHampshire 606 675 738 798 879
New Jersey 322 424 488 552 616
New Mexico 304 380 459 536 613
New York 548 753 905 1063 1172
North Carolina 236 272 297 324 349
North Dakota 328 427 523 620 717
Ohio 355 434 536 627 698
Oklahoma 225 292 361 422 483
Oregon 432 506 621 721 833
Pennsylvania 330 421 514 607 687
Rhode Island 449 554 634 714 794
SouthCarolina 175 221 266 311 355
South Dakota 496 555 613 671 730
Tennessee 142 185 226 264 305
Texas 225 260 312 349 399
Utah 399 498 583 663 731
Vermont 560 665 751 842 904
Virginia 323 389 451 537 570
Washington 385 478 562 648 736
WestVirginia 301 340 384 420 460
Wisconsin 628 628 628 628 628
Wyoming 543 577 577 611 611
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Old 06-14-2013, 05:49 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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I like how republicans are all for big governemnt.
And you are for a dead beat dad and a welfare mom raising kids right? It is obvious that the welfare kids don't have a chance, probably have to hear from morning to night a momma who thinks she is owed. Yes, welfare starts at home and it goes on generation after generation.

Who's teaching these people that someone's got to pay? Someone else has to be held accountable?

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