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some scientists are discovering that North America was actually very much a melting pot of cultures over many thousands of years..while the native american's we know of today have roots from ancestors who crossed the bering strait.. there is also sufficient evidence for ancestors of Europeans traveling and settling in north america by way of massive ice sheets during the last ice age...
I have the most respect for the native people, I think they were treated horrendously and it really is a black mark on our history(hitler actually admired the United states and it's handling of their native population and eludes to parallels in his orchestrating of genocide against the jews) BUT when people start saying "my land" "our land" in 2013.. I think that dead horse has rotten and turned to dust.. because there is no ONE person alive today that is directly responsible for taking anyone's land.. and I really feel like it's time to move on.. with that said, integration I fear would be the the demise of their cultures..and I think they have a right to protect it.
What exactly is "move on"? What exactly does that mean in your eyes?
We already know that we lost our land. That's not the challenge, We are trying to do our best to save as much of our cultures as possible.
Native American people have the same opportunities that anyone else has. If they do not choose to pursue them, that is no one's fault but their own. The history of the American Indian is very sad. But just as the black people need to move beyond their anger at slavery, Native American's need to move beyond their victimization of what the "white man" did to them.
For the most part, they have free housing, free education (on the Rez), as well as many, many programs to help them achieve their goals. Nobody can force people to be accountable for themselves. It has to come from within.
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Native Americans can't "move beyond their victimization" because they're still being victimized! The budget for free housing, free education and free health care is woefully inadequate. Former chairman of the Senate Committee on Indian Affairs, Byron Dorgan, recently wrote this piece on conditions on Indian reservations and the effect the sequester is having on them. In any case, there are still homes across Indian Country that don't have basic amenities like heat and running water, the Indian Health Service was woefully underfunded even before the sequester hit, Native Americans are not guaranteed freedom to practice their religion, as the Supreme Court tends to decide against them in the cases that arise, and law enforcement on Indian reservations is so inadequate, it's almost absent.
What exactly is "move on"? What exactly does that mean in your eyes?
We already know that we lost our land. That's not the challenge, We are trying to do our best to save as much of our cultures as possible.
Moving on is to let go of the generational anger that is continually passed down (because it does still exist-one of my best friends is shoshone and can attest to this.. I'm not just some white guy making it up)
I am all in favor of protection of culture, ways of life, and if the reservation is the means to do it.. super..
BUT, there are some factors at play on the reservation, that are detrimental to young native children..which is propagating some of the generational problems (some tribes are better than others) Just be open to the idea that the reservation might be a seen as a protection by some, but in all reality for others can be a trap.
Myself I only want what is best for the future of the Indians and what is best for them is to assimilate them into the American experience.
That was tried (globally, not only in the US). It didn't work out. Forced assimilation is now against international law. It's considered a form of genocide.
What exactly is "move on"? What exactly does that mean in your eyes?
We already know that we lost our land. That's not the challenge, We are trying to do our best to save as much of our cultures as possible.
But if other Americans try to do the same, save our culture, it's considered very bad to want to do that.
I don't have a problem with Indians saving their culture mind you. In fact, I think American culture needs the Indian culture -- we were never just European.
But if other Americans try to do the same, save our culture, it's considered very bad to want to do that.
I don't have a problem with Indians saving their culture mind you. In fact, I think American culture needs the Indian culture -- we were never just European.
But if other Americans try to do the same, save our culture, it's considered very bad to want to do that.
I don't have a problem with Indians saving their culture mind you. In fact, I think American culture needs the Indian culture -- we were never just European.
I don't think Native Americans should tell us anything about their religions or holidays...because we'll find some way (and by "we" I mean 95% of the people I know) of turning their deeply spiritual and ancient ceremonies into excuses to drink heavily while engaging in risky behaviors....
We've already learned what to do about that from watching the Native Americans.
Some people are frightened of what they perceive as human nature...because of examples like that.
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