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Old 07-14-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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They like to perform human sacrifices. Fighting is the least of what they were about.

There's a reason that Mexicans feared the Comanches and after Texas became part of the USA, the Mexicans actually demanded we get control over the Comanches. Maybe the Comanches had heard of what was going on down there in Tenochitlan and other places.

It was Spaniards and non-Aztec Indians who defeated the Aztecs, there is no way so few Spaniards could have accomplished it on their own, even with horses.

The British had their Indian allies and the French had theirs. Both the Europeans and the Indians had age-old hostilities and allied with each other.

No matter how someone feels about what happened, it's really impossible to go back in time and undo it. The past is the past. Europe and Africa wouldn't take the descendents of their long-lost people now at this point.
Agreed. If I tried to go "back" to Ireland; I'd be deported real fast as an illegal alien tho I'm of Irish family. Mexico does that same thing to Guatemalans even tho Guatemala was part of Mexico for a few years.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:09 AM
 
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Let's play it "your" way. How about taking US citizenship AWAY from all people who are members of the Rez's. That's right: treat them like ILLEGAL aliens if off the Rez. I'll lay a LOT of money down that'll make many of not most American Indians mad enough they DEMAND the Rez's be shut down.
At least at one time Indians had the highest rate of military service of anyone, and I have NEVER met an American Indian who was unpatriotic to the USA. This is still their country after all.

Why don't you suggest we kick people out of ghettos and HOA's instead?
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:11 AM
 
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At least at one time Indians had the highest rate of military service of anyone, and I have NEVER met an American Indian who was unpatriotic to the USA. This is still their country after all.

Why don't you suggest we kick people out of ghettos and HOA's instead?
I have a big problem with people having dual citizenship with the Rez's being "sovereign nations".

Ghettos: they're part of the US and HOA's; private land that the Feds could take over any time they want. Neither are sovereign nations.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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Let's play it "your" way. How about taking US citizenship AWAY from all people who are members of the Rez's. That's right: treat them like ILLEGAL aliens if off the Rez. I'll lay a LOT of money down that'll make many of not most American Indians mad enough they DEMAND the Rez's be shut down.
Well if you do that the nations legally should probably get the land they ceded back that are currently held "under trust" by the US government an entity that they would no longer be citizens of. There's gonna be a lot more resources and even cities under Indian Country's thumb.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:14 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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At least at one time Indians had the highest rate of military service of anyone, and I have NEVER met an American Indian who was unpatriotic to the USA. This is still their country after all.

Why don't you suggest we kick people out of ghettos and HOA's instead?
Because he doesn't like brown people having sovereignty, not in his backyard anyway, forget any hypocrisy and crimes against humanity this entails.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:16 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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I have a big problem with people having dual citizenship with the Rez's being "sovereign nations".

Ghettos: they're part of the US and HOA's; private land that the Feds could take over any time they want. Neither are sovereign nations.
The reservations aren't sovereign nations they are sovereign territory of sovereign nations.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:19 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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At least at one time Indians had the highest rate of military service of anyone, and I have NEVER met an American Indian who was unpatriotic to the USA. This is still their country after all.

Why don't you suggest we kick people out of ghettos and HOA's instead?
I'm unpatriotic, so are a lot of other folks, but yes I do have a lot of family that did military service, and I'm not against them, or the American people, I just don't like it as a nation, and being an Indian I can laugh if people tell me I should go back to where I came from
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Well if you do that the nations legally should probably get the land they ceded back that are currently held "under trust" by the US government an entity that they would no longer be citizens of. There's gonna be a lot more resources and even cities under Indian Country's thumb.
That won't happen and we both know that.

Again: before the white man came here; most American Indian tribes were nomads so they NEVER owned the dirt they walked on so they have NO rights to ANY non "Rez" land in 2013.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:21 AM
 
Location: El Sereno, Los Angeles, CA
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They like to perform human sacrifices. Fighting is the least of what they were about.

There's a reason that Mexicans feared the Comanches and after Texas became part of the USA, the Mexicans actually demanded we get control over the Comanches. Maybe the Comanches had heard of what was going on down there in Tenochitlan and other places.

It was Spaniards and non-Aztec Indians who defeated the Aztecs, there is no way so few Spaniards could have accomplished it on their own, even with horses.

The British had their Indian allies and the French had theirs. Both the Europeans and the Indians had age-old hostilities and allied with each other.

No matter how someone feels about what happened, it's really impossible to go back in time and undo it. The past is the past. Europe and Africa wouldn't take the descendents of their long-lost people now at this point.
Wsn't Tenochtitlan in the context of the Mexihca long gone, it was then Mexico City and run by Spaniards and Mestizos?
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:21 AM
 
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The problem with the reservations is the isolation, and extreme dependence on hand outs for subsistence. And I mean, a bare minimum existence. There is no more native American reliance on traditional ways, the land won't support it, the Buffalo are gone. And, the kids would not do the lifestyle of no computers, no cars, they want material possessions.

Catch 22.the old ways are gone. Living g on the reservation is pretty much a death sentence to getting into trouble. No jobs. I worked on a rez for many years, if they had shut down the bar there, 85 percent of the crime would be eradicated. But, that has been tried on other reservations, with natives just driving to the next town for a drink. Sadly.

There are no real solutions here. I was just sad how many kids on reservations have fetal alcohol syndrome. That is a real problem, that should be a starting point, providing services to pregnant women to prevent this tragedy. I don't know any statistics, just my own experience, but FAS is probably 30 percent higher on a reservation than in regular schools, a huge startling statistic, when you look at the rural population density.
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