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Old 07-08-2013, 09:29 PM
 
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Because the mainstream media is one giant propaganda campaign. People aren't willing to do their own research. They will believe anything the media tells them to be fact. Read up on people like Edward Bernays and the idea of "engineered consent". You can basically get the public to believe up is down and down is up.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:31 PM
 
Location: Houston
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The other 10% are the guys that get ignored in Congress.
They are definitely outnumbered.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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Yes, the American people have rejected the idea of limited government for a while now. The Great Depression was a major change as people wanted a government to help them find work and support themselves and their families. They saw big government as a superior alternative to starving.

Though Americans had started rejecting limited government even before that at the start of the twentieth century. The rise of large corporations and industrialization lead many to support more activist government, which occurred in the Progressive Era (which saw trust busting, the income and estate taxes, the FDA, the National Park System, and the Federal Reserve), WWI, and during Prohibition.

We haven't had limited government in awhile. And, of course, to the Native Americans who were forced of their land and killed by government agents, this country has never had limited government. The same applies to African Americans who suffered such government injustices as the Fugitive Slave Act.
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Old 07-08-2013, 09:55 PM
 
Location: mancos
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I think the spelt with an o but overridden obamacare fines levied on hard working rural folk who pay all their bills and owe nothing except the fine the king demands will wake a lot of people up
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Los Awesome, CA
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One of the most important aspects of the Revolution and the foundng father's beliefs were LIMITED GOVERNMENT. However, I talk to folks today and it seems like they love more laws, more regulations, more creation of federal departments and they want government to have a hand in everythinf possible.

So I have two questions:

1) Why have attitudes changed so vastly in the last 20 to 30 years?

And

2) When you take away everything America stands for in the name of "safety'" then what are we really trying to protect ourselves against? Because we have robbed ourselves of everything we have ever stood for.

- A Libertarian
Why do people hold the founding fathers in such a high esteem that they believe everything they came up with is unchangeable and sacred. They were men not gods. Some of things they came up with are still relevant today while others are not. I personally believe limited government is less important than efficient government.
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Old 07-08-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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1) Why have attitudes changed so vastly in the last 20 to 30 years?
- A Libertarian
Someday, I hope to figure out why libertarians have such a feeble grasp of American history.

What were the demands of the abolitionist movement?

What was the purpose of the Freedman's Bureau?

What are Land Grant Colleges?

What was the women's suffragette movements demand?

What was the fight for the 8 hour day?

What was the demand following the Triangle Shirt Fire?

What 1906 book led to demands for government agricultural inspections?

What did the temperance movement demand?

In each in every 19th century to early 20th century example the people demanded that the national government affirmatively take action in their behalf.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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One of the most important aspects of the Revolution and the foundng father's beliefs were LIMITED GOVERNMENT. However, I talk to folks today and it seems like they love more laws, more regulations, more creation of federal departments and they want government to have a hand in everythinf possible.

So I have two questions:

1) Why have attitudes changed so vastly in the last 20 to 30 years?

And

2) When you take away everything America stands for in the name of "safety'" then what are we really trying to protect ourselves against? Because we have robbed ourselves of everything we have ever stood for.

- A Libertarian
you have to factor in public schools, nothing more the indoctrination camps of the statist left, which schools vouchers we would take away the youth, and their future, forcing them to a quick and sobering demise.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:29 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Someday, I hope to figure out why libertarians have such a feeble grasp of American history.

What were the demands of the abolitionist movement?

What was the purpose of the Freedman's Bureau?

What are Land Grant Colleges?

What was the women's suffragette movements demand?

What was the fight for the 8 hour day?

What was the demand following the Triangle Shirt Fire?

What 1906 book led to demands for government agricultural inspections?

What did the temperance movement demand?

In each in every 19th century to early 20th century example the people demanded that the national government affirmatively take action in their behalf.
Funny how you only see the good, and never the massive harm.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Why do people hold the founding fathers in such a high esteem that they believe everything they came up with is unchangeable and sacred. They were men not gods. Some of things they came up with are still relevant today while others are not. I personally believe limited government is less important than efficient government.

because these man understood history, and the unchangeablity of human nature. they understood the reasons we for soo much of human history man his be in a state of enslavement, poverty and ignorance, ans but forth a system of government that has done more to advance humanity and generate more technological advancements and create more capital then any other system or nation ever. and up until about 1913 things for the most part were good, some what great..

the need for government to rescue us from our self is at best laughable and at worse the path to enslavement of soft tyranny, which by choice or design leads to hard tyranny.

“Necessity is the argument of tyrants, it is the creed of slaves.”
William Pitt the younger.
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Old 07-08-2013, 11:45 PM
 
Location: California
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That, plus endless propaganda from the media, saying that voting yourself that handout is a GOOD thing. Plus more BS about how it will help the chillun, conservatives are eeevil, and the usual Democrat talking points disguised as "news".
I can't tell if post like these are serious, or just sarcastic vitriol. If serious, your ignorance of policy and history is frightening. This is not a left/right issue. The right claim to be for less government in their words but their actions are far from libertarianism. George W. Bush increased the size of government more than any president before him.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275512887811775.html
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