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View Poll Results: Was 9/11 an inside job?
9/11 was an inside job planned by the Bush/Cheney Administration as a false flag mission to justify war. 66 31.58%
9/11 may not have been an "inside job", however the Bush/Cheney Administration knew about it beforehand and did nothing to prevent it. 50 23.92%
9/11 was planned and executed by Al Queda, the Bush/Cheney Administration had no part & prior knowledge of it; how dare you question our Government! 93 44.50%
Voters: 209. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-30-2014, 12:41 AM
 
Location: CO
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Originally Posted by Speleothem View Post
I don't care how many engineers
can dance on the head of a pin;
that many people can't keep a secret.
^^^^ This.....

 
Old 09-30-2014, 05:27 AM
 
Location: Bella Vista, Ark
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There's no proof or evidence whatsoever that OBL was responsible for 9/11. They needed a convenient patsy and obviously he was their man. The Bush administration even tried to link Saddam Hussein to 9/11 again with no evidence whatsoever. The official story kept changing by the day and has no credibility. It's laughable.


The people who think OBL did it probably believe there were WMDs in Iraq, which the government also lied about it.
sure and people like you probably think every Presidentual assassination is a conspiracy and every time someone shots up a theater or a school there are all kinds of people with various motives around the murder. Maybe you also think the beheading of Americans is a set up.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 06:49 AM
 
Location: New York City
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sure and people like you probably think every Presidentual assassination is a conspiracy and every time someone shots up a theater or a school there are all kinds of people with various motives around the murder. Maybe you also think the beheading of Americans is a set up.
These people lead boring lives, can you blame them for making these wild and crazy theories to make their lives more interesting. All of a sudden they are the only ones who are in the know and it's a big conspiracy that they'll be famous for exposing
 
Old 09-30-2014, 08:54 AM
 
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Originally Posted by thecoalman View Post
You don't need common sense or logic. You need physics.

Would you think a ping pong ball could go through a ping pong paddle that is made of plywood?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV4xVAYCK8Q

As the velocity of an object increases so does the force it imparts. You could put a marshmallow though one inch steel plate if you can get it going fast enough.
While such little demonstrations might surprise and amaze some easily entertained minds, the reality is, plastic is harder (molecules more tightly bonded) than wood, which is why the plastic ball can, with sufficient force, blow throw the wood like a bullet. The confusion that exists between hardness and density is very common, and was the primary reason why it was once thought to be a crazy idea to build ships out of metal rather than wood. The misunderstanding of the physics led to the seemingly rational and common sense conclusion that a metal boat would sink like a stone. We all know how silly that is now, but the underlying ignorance still exists ... misapplied to other situations.

As for the assinine claim that a marshmallow could be driven through 1" thick steel plate does more to expose that persisting ignorance than anything I could say.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 08:58 AM
 
Location: New York City
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The misunderstanding of the physics led to the seemingly rational and common sense conclusion that a metal boat would sink like a stone.
You keep talking about Physics yet you completely ignore the Physics published by the American Society of Civil Engineers which concluded that your theory of a controlled demolition was, and I quote, "absurd".

It's pretty obviously that you know NOTHING about physics aside from random and selective assumptions taken to support your fringe conspiracy theories which have no bearing on reality
 
Old 09-30-2014, 09:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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The free-fall collapse of Building 7 has no explanation in Physics and surprisingly is not mentioned in the 9/11 Commission report nor at the new 9/11 Museum.

Polls have shown that up to 50% of Americans are not even aware of the Building 7 collapse.

The sizable poll on this thread sure is interesting though-over half of Americans do not believe the official 9/11 story.
Perhaps the wording on the third option is biased, but still...

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Old 09-30-2014, 09:17 AM
 
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You keep talking about Physics yet you completely ignore the Physics published by the American Society of Civil Engineers which concluded that your theory of a controlled demolition was, and I quote, "absurd".

It's pretty obviously that you know NOTHING about physics aside from random and selective assumptions taken to support your fringe conspiracy theories which have no bearing on reality
The video tapes were confiscated to protect the mirrors from being cracked by the heat and "filmed" by the smoke.

The invisible hand of the government.

The Stealth of Nations; Vol.1 - Hyperthetic

Just produce (sic) the Got-Damned video recordings!

There are eye witnesses, ear witnesses, and zombie witnesses.

Where are the technical witnesses?

Play the tapes!

Out loud and in full view, for authenticity critique.

I call, what do you got?

Don't let the irritation up your sleeve make your face twitch. (A sure giveaway)

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Old 09-30-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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Explain to everyone how commercial airliners are capable of exceeding their VMO by over 140 kts, (which is theoretically and physically impossible due to thrust limitation of it's engines) all the while maintaiing controlled flight without structural failure, and be piloted into a very narrow target with bullseye precision?

The facts are, long before these jets could have achieved such velocities as claimed, the dense air forces at sea level altitudes would have ripped their airframes apart, causing them to fall out of the sky, hitting the only target possible ... the ground.

Forget all the other diversionary blather about electric substations and gaping holes in buildings. Let's not put the cart before the horse. Let's analyze the requisite first step that allegedly caused the damage which then led to the other claims.

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Old 09-30-2014, 10:03 AM
 
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Originally Posted by BlakeJones View Post
You keep talking about Physics yet you completely ignore the Physics published by the American Society of Civil Engineers which concluded that your theory of a controlled demolition was, and I quote, "absurd".

It's pretty obviously that you know NOTHING about physics aside from random and selective assumptions taken to support your fringe conspiracy theories which have no bearing on reality
There is a big difference between physics and the publishing business.

Secondly, the official conspiracy theory is increasingly becoming the "fringe" theory based on those stark and measurable differences between physics and published propaganda.

1800 Architects and Engineers are now members of that "fringe" that includes more than 50% of the general public who don't believe they are being told the truth.

Add to that growing majority are organizations that include Pilots and Aeronautical Engineers ... Firefighters ... Law Enforcement professionals ... Intelligence professionals ... etc.

Sorry ... but you cannot label all of these people fringe crazies, and think that's going to work. It's not working anymore .... because there are just too many holes in the story that can't be plugged with hyperbole, character assassination and insults.
 
Old 09-30-2014, 10:07 AM
 
Location: New York City
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There is a big difference between physics and the publishing business.

Secondly, the official conspiracy theory is increasingly becoming the "fringe" theory based on those stark and measurable differences between physics and published propaganda.

1800 Architects and Engineers are now members of that "fringe" that includes more than 50% of the general public who don't believe they are being told the truth.

Add to that growing majority are organizations that include Pilots and Aeronautical Engineers ... Firefighters ... Law Enforcement professionals ... Intelligence professionals ... etc.

Sorry ... but you cannot label all of these people fringe crazies, and think that's going to work. It's not working anymore .... because there are just too many holes in the story that can't be plugged with hyperbole, character assassination and insults.
You obviously don't understand the irony of challenging people's grasp of Physics while completely ignoring the Physics presented to you by the American Society of Civil Engineers

I guess in your world when you can't trust mainstream engineers with their licenses on the line the world becomes a scary place where you can't even trust your kids.

I guess making up obsessive conspiracies is a fun hobby. Doesn't accomplish much in life but I guess it could be fun
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