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Old 08-05-2013, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Alameda, CA
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Professor of religion.....where did he get he's education on RELIGION? He's a creative writer who has wrote his own opinion. One thing Christians are missing is he read the Bible and walked away mad, so mad he left Christinity. Most Christians don't even realize Muslims despise them for thinking Jesus was crucified, look it up sometime. This man wants to separate the Man from the Saviour Are Christians going to buy his book and support his discrediting Jesus the Saviour? Harvard can't even figure out how to teach religion and he says he's a religious professor, because of Harvard.

Why Harvard Students Should Study More Religion - Newsweek and The Daily Beast
Harvard's distaste for engaging with religion as an academic subject is particularly ironic, given that it was founded in 1636 as a training ground for Christian ministers. According to the office of the president, Veritas was only officially adopted as its motto in 1843; until then it had been Christo et Ecclesiae ("For Christ and the Church"). While it's true that other Ivy League colleges don't require undergrads to take religion (with the exception of Columbia, where readings in the mandatory Contemporary Civilization course include selections from Exodus, the Book of Matthew, Saint Augustine, and the Quran), it's fair to say that the study of religion at Harvard is uniquely dysfunctional.

His twitter account is nothing about supporting his book, he bashes fox most the time and even throws in some anti-Israel rants. The guy's rants seem to be more like a high school boy than a college professor.

From his book......he doesn't believe in the CHRISTIAN JESUS:
Writer and scholar Reza Aslan was 15 years old when he found Jesus. His secular Muslim family had fled to the U.S. from Iran, and Aslan’s conversion was, in a sense, an adolescent’s attempt to fit into American life and culture. “My parents were certainly surprised,” Aslan tells Fresh Air‘s Terry Gross. As Aslan got older, he began his studies in the history of Christianity, and he started to lose faith. He came to the realization that Jesus of Nazareth was quite different from the Messiah he’d been introduced to at church. “I became very angry,” he says. “I became resentful. I turned away from Christianity. I began to really reject the concept of Christ.” But Aslan continued his Christian scholarship, and he found that he was increasingly interested in Jesus as a historical figure. The result is his new book, Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth — a historical look at Jesus in the context of his time and Jewish religion, and against the backdrop of the Roman Empire.

- See more at: Reza Aslan is No New Testament Scholar, and His New Book Zealot Is Nothing New | jeremy bouma


As one person notes, Aslan’s complete lack of awareness of Second Temple Judaism, 1st century politics, lazy and simplistic categories, and failure to interact with the latest historical Jesus scholarship, and more all betray his supposed credentials. -

John Dickerson writes that, “Media reports have introduced Aslan as a ‘religion scholar’ but have failed to mention that he is a devout Muslim. His book is not a historian’s report on Jesus. It is an educated Muslim’s opinion about Jesus — yet the book is being peddled as objective history on national TV and radio.” Dickerson makes it clear that this devout Muslim has every right to his own opinion about Jesus, and also express that opinion. But he goes on, recognizing how Aslan’s Muslim association is an important, if unannounced, factor in his new screed.

Zealot is a fast-paced demolition of the core beliefs that Christianity has taught about Jesus for 2,000 years. Its conclusions are long-held Islamic claims—namely, that Jesus was a zealous prophet type who didn’t claim to be God, that Christians have misunderstood him, and that the Christian Gospels are not the actual words or life of Jesus but ‘myth.’ These claims are not new or unique. They are hundreds of years old among Muslims. Sadly, readers who have listened to interviews on NPR, “The Daily Show,” Huffington Post or MSNBC may pick up the book expecting an unbiased and historic report on Jesus and first century Jewish culture.
Nice try, but did you read and understand the article about Harvard that you linked.

From the article:

Undergraduates with more than a passing interest in religion are pointed to the Divinity School, half a mile away from Harvard Yard, where they can take graduate-level courses about belief from people who are, by tradition, believers. This separation of "faith" from "reason" occurred in the early part of the 19th century, when the American university evolved into a secular place. Even now, in an era when a presidential candidate cannot get elected without a convincing "faith narrative," the scholars who study belief continue to reside in the Divinity School

Aslan's Masters degree is from Harvard Divinity School. The article you linked is about the teaching of religion to undergraduate students at Harvard.

Best Theology Graduate Schools: List of Schools
1. Harvard University in Cambridge, MA

Harvard Divinity School at Harvard University was established in 1816 as the first non-sectarian theological school in the U.S. Two master's programs are offered at the school, a Master of Theological Studies (M.T.S.) program and a Master of Theology (Th.M.). The M.T.S. has 19 concentrations, including comparative studies, Biblical studies and philosophy of religion. Harvard Divinity School also has a Doctor of Theology (Th.D.) that highlights the methods and theories of religion and is ideal for those who hope to teach theology or enter administration at the college or seminary level. The Association of Theological Schools (ATS) accredits the theology programs at Harvard, and Forbes.com ranked the school eighth in its list of best colleges and universities in 2010
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Old 08-05-2013, 01:00 PM
 
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And this claim comes from...?
Standard-issue religious (dare I say "zealous"? ) feint, easiest way there is to dismiss criticism.

If you don't see that the words of Jesus/Mohammed/Moses/Ayn Rand/Karl Marx/Chairman Mao/Hubbard are nothing but pure, unadulterated and eternal truth, its' because you haven't studied them sufficiently.

Doubt only proves shortcomings in the doubtful individual.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:55 AM
 
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Nice try, but did you read and understand the article about Harvard that you linked.

From the article:

Undergraduates with more than a passing interest in religion are pointed to the Divinity School, half a mile away from Harvard Yard, where they can take graduate-level courses about belief from people who are, by tradition, believers. This separation of "faith" from "reason" occurred in the early part of the 19th century, when the American university evolved into a secular place. Even now, in an era when a presidential candidate cannot get elected without a convincing "faith narrative," the scholars who study belief continue to reside in the Divinity School

Aslan's Masters degree is from Harvard Divinity School. The article you linked is about the teaching of religion to undergraduate students at Harvard.

Best Theology Graduate Schools: List of Schools
1. Harvard University in Cambridge, MA

Harvard Divinity School at Harvard University was established in 1816 as the first non-sectarian theological school in the U.S. Two master's programs are offered at the school, a Master of Theological Studies (M.T.S.) program and a Master of Theology (Th.M.). The M.T.S. has 19 concentrations, including comparative studies, Biblical studies and philosophy of religion. Harvard Divinity School also has a Doctor of Theology (Th.D.) that highlights the methods and theories of religion and is ideal for those who hope to teach theology or enter administration at the college or seminary level. The Association of Theological Schools (ATS) accredits the theology programs at Harvard, and Forbes.com ranked the school eighth in its list of best colleges and universities in 2010
Your correct here and not to mention this Divinity college as been taken over by Unitarianism mostly a Liberal concept of Christianity......I still question the fox motives. Saudi Arabia invests a lot of time and money into these professors.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:58 AM
 
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25 Theologians and Theology Enthusiasts You Should be Following on Twitter »

We will see if he EVER makes it to the top 10 to follow on twitter. Looking at his account he needs to learn to debate and quite blaming others for his short comings on fox news. His rants were more like a high school girl on diva attack mode!
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:23 AM
 
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Your correct here and not to mention this Divinity college as been taken over by Unitarianism mostly a Liberal concept of Christianity......
Taken over? The Harvard Divinity School was founded in Unitarianism in 1816.

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I still question the fox motives. Saudi Arabia invests a lot of time and money into these professors.
Uh huh.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:40 AM
 
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We will see if he EVER makes it to the top 10 to follow on twitter.
That's the criteria for being a worthwhile commentator, now? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:45 AM
 
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That's the criteria for being a worthwhile commentator, now? I don't want to live on this planet anymore.
If you didn't notice this guy has made himself twitter worthy! Read his account postings sounds like a real intelligent professor on his "off time."
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:44 AM
 
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Taken over? The Harvard Divinity School was founded in Unitarianism in 1816.
The Divinity School only came into existence in 1816, the first non-sectarian theological school in the country, to ensure that "every encouragement be given to the serious, impartial, and unbiased investigation of Christian truth"—language considered bold at the time.
Susan and Jim Swartz Donate $10 Million to Harvard Divinity School | Harvard Divinity School
Now we can see how this professor wants to see Jesus "ONLY as the MAN."

Christian Unitarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Unitarians believe that main-line Christianity does not adhere to strict monotheism but that they do by maintaining that Jesus was a great man and a prophet of God, perhaps even a supernatural being, but not God himself.[2] They believe Jesus did not claim to be God, and that his teachings did not suggest the existence of a triune God. Unitarians believe in the moral authority but not necessarily the divinity of Jesus. Their theology is thus opposed to the trinitarian theology of other Christian denominations.

In that same year (1819) William Ellery Channing defined and named the new movement in a sermon, entitled "Unitarian Christianity," which he preached at Jared Sparks's ordination in Baltimore. In this sermon he rejected four premises:

1. God's existence as Trinity (as defined at the Council of Nicea in 325 AD)

2. God's right to absolute judgment over human salvation.

3. The doctrine of Christ's two natures, human and divine (as defined at the Council of Chalcedon in 451 AD)

4. The doctrine of salvation by Christ's vicarious atonement as defined by Anselm.

In contrast, Channing affirmed five propositions which he said characterized the new movement among the Congregational churches:

1. The simple unity of God

2. The absolute morality of God

3. The simple unity, namely the humanity, of Jesus

4. The moral and spiritual leadership of Jesus

5. Human salvation by moral and spiritual character.


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Uh huh.
Might try doing something better with your time than earning rep points all day or burying your head in the jello of the day!
Saudi students flood U.S. colleges for English lessons

Supporting terrorism: Islamist infiltration from colleges to government offices « Northeast Intelligence NetworkNortheast Intelligence Network

This video and audio documentation obtained by Mr. Kaplan also provides tangible evidence of the plans and objectives of al Awda, the SJP and other related groups. It is their objective to collectively overtake the entire UC college system, campus by campus, in order to promote war on Israel and support totalitarian regimes overseas. The documentation also illustrates the level of infiltration of not only the colleges and universities, but within our own government.

Boasting about how Islamists have successfully infiltrated our political system through the use of interns and aides, it was disclosed that Congressman Dennis Kucinich will openly voice his support for al Awda at their next international conference, scheduled for next April. Kucinich employs one of the students from this network as a congressional aide.

This is a real good way to spend that OIL MONEY!!!
Sex parties, a gym and a spa: Inside the Saudi prisons where terrorists caught in Saudi Arabia are sent | Mail Online
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:53 PM
 
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If you didn't notice this guy has made himself twitter worthy! Read his account postings sounds like a real intelligent professor on his "off time."
I should care - why? You're the one using "top ten on Twitter" as a meaningful criteria for - something, I guess. I don't. That was sort of the point.
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