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Old 08-09-2013, 05:54 AM
 
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One distinct difference, the Nicaraguan government wasn't murdering the opposition and your statement that a communist government was setting up shop right outside our borders has nothing to do with facts. You can argue that we should have nothing to do with places like Bosnia where they were actually murdering each other but to compare them to Nicaragua is a giant leap.
Ah, yes, those angelic Sandinistas. They were such humble and honest creatures. Here's a list of what they achieved while in power...
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-A national, centrally controlled police (where the Nicaraguan police had previously been under local control);
-Paramilitary units, militias, and border forces;
-A prison system (as well as a clandestine prison system);
-Special operations units and a secret political police;
-Revolutionary tribunals to hold show trials of “public enemies”; and
-A bureaucratic and judicial system that would reinforce and consolidate FSLN power.
http://www.iwp.edu/news_publications...y-in-nicaragua

Obviously that's the kind of democraqcy a leftwing moral relativist can get behind!
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Old 08-09-2013, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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They are idiots for electing him.

"Hope and Change" = record high numbers of people on welfare + 97% of new jobs created are part-time jobs + CIA personnel take lie detector tests to make sure they're not telling Congress the truth

Worst. President. EVER
The President is not about to go up against bullies...so I am sure he will never challenge the CIA...after all...who is going to dominate this agency? There is no one.
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Ah, yes, those angelic Sandinistas. They were such humble and honest creatures. Here's a list of what they achieved while in power...
Tropical Chekists: The Sandinista secret police legacy in Nicaragua*»* News & Publications*»* The Institute of World Politics

Obviously that's the kind of democraqcy a leftwing moral relativist can get behind!
There are plenty of countries in south America with rather brutal governments, take El Salvador and Panama for instance but we supported them. We loved the guerillas in Nicaragua, we hated the guerillas in El Salvador, the way we picked or spots for intervention in certain countries escapes me. We didn't like Nicaragua's connection to Cuba so we decided to overthrow their government.
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:17 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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In a perfect world, Obama would be brought up on charges as well as others. "Phony" scandals dont usually involve threats to families and unprecedented steps for cover up and secrecy. To hell with all of you who have said there is nothing there. We knew it from day one, and now its even more confirmed.
Phony?????????

Did Obama and Hillary stand up in front of all the American people and tell us, that the Bengazi attack was just a group of protestors?????????

Why hasn't the both of them bought up for charges???????

Why do you think Hillary seperated herself from Obama? She said what she was told to say, and your going to see more and more polilticans seperate themselves from him, especially those who want to get re-elected....Hillary will be running for President, do you actually believe she really got sick? No, Obama thru her under the bus and that did it for her. Just like Bush threw Powell under the bus...on the WMD issue.

And yanno what really makes me sick, every one has forgotten all about the scandal Hillary was involved in years ago, that was in fact true, and people are still in jail b/c of it?

and get a load of who is reporting this....CNN, not FOX, but CNN!!!!!

Obama also turned on the media, so, slowly but surely, they to will turn they're backs on him, and they created him?????
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:37 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Still waiting for an answer as to why the thread didn't include the original CNN story, but then we might not have a thread.
Way too many truths in the CNN story that don't fit the assertion. They will stick with the junk they want to believe. It makes them happy, I guess?
I presume they are talking about this story, or their version of this story... Gee, the CIA involved in covert actions????
Exclusive: Dozens of CIA operatives on the ground during Benghazi attack – The Lead with Jake Tapper - CNN.com Blogs

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Old 08-09-2013, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Littleton, CO
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Phony?????????
Yes.

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Did Obama and Hillary stand up in front of all the American people and tell us, that the Bengazi attack was just a group of protestors?????????
Actually... no. They said that that the attacks began as a protest against the same video that Muslims were, at that time, protesting at several other locations around the Muslim world, to include Cairo just the day prior. They never said it "was just a group of protestors."

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Why hasn't the both of them bought up for charges???????
Because it is not a crime (or even a mild surprise) that the initial information was not as good as the results of later days, weeks and months of investigation. You may not know that, but Issa and his crew do... so they have to settle for hand-waving rather than your desperately wished for "charges."

I myself was in a party of US soldiers attacked in Istanbul by terrorists in 1979. One of us (Tom Mosely) was killed. Three of us testified that the blue Anadol sports car carried two shooters. Two of us testified that the black Anadol sports car had one shooter. One testified that the blue Anadol sports car had one shooter.

Which of us do you have the temerity to accuse of "lying?"

It's fascinating that you seem to have all the dots, but prove impossible or unwilling to connect them. All the things of which you whine (why no charges?) make perfect sense if (as sober people realize) the "scandal" is a phony. Since you refuse to accept that simple truth, you are condemned to weaving ever more idiotic conspiracy theories that left sense behind over a year ago.

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Why do you think Hillary seperated herself from Obama?
No need to speculate. She has told us repeatedly. I know that won't stop you from launching off into a tendentious alternate explanation that, while it has no evidence in favor, satisfies both your prejudice against this president and your predilection for wild eyed conspiracy theories. But haters gotta hate.

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She said what she was told to say, and your going to see more and more polilticans seperate themselves from him, especially those who want to get re-elected....Hillary will be running for President, do you actually believe she really got sick? No, Obama thru her under the bus and that did it for her. Just like Bush threw Powell under the bus...on the WMD issue.
Feel better now?

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And yanno what really makes me sick, every one has forgotten all about the scandal Hillary was involved in years ago, that was in fact true, and people are still in jail b/c of it?
Ahhh... the "Whitewater scandal." Yet another fake right-wing scandal that fizzled so completely they had to settle for the completely unrelated (but at least to them very shocking and exciting) issue of a blow job in the Whitehouse. Why would people not forget a scandal that turned out to not be a scandal? Three seperate inquiries found that the Clintons did no wrong... other than losing their own money in a bad investment.

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Obama also turned on the media, so, slowly but surely, they to will turn they're backs on him, and they created him?????
If you guys didn't have wishful thinking, you wouldn't generally think at all.
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Old 08-09-2013, 06:48 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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Yes.


Actually... no. They said that that the attacks began as a protest against the same video that Muslims were, at that time, protesting at several other locations around the Muslim world, to include Cairo just the day prior. They never said it "was just a group of protestors."


Because it is not a crime (or even a mild surprise) that the initial information was not as good as the results of later days, weeks and months of investigation. You may not know that, but Issa and his crew do... so they have to settle for hand-waving rather than your desperately wished for "charges."

I myself was in a party of US soldiers attacked in Istanbul by terrorists in 1979. One of us (Tom Mosely) was killed. Three of us testified that the blue Anadol sports car carried two shooters. Two of us testified that the black Anadol sports car had one shooter. One testified that the blue Anadol sports car had one shooter.

Which of us do you have the temerity to accuse of "lying?"

It's fascinating that you seem to have all the dots, but prove impossible or unwilling to connect them. All the things of which you whine (why no charges?) make perfect sense if (as sober people realize) the "scandal" is a phony. Since you refuse to accept that simple truth, you are condemned to weaving ever more idiotic conspiracy theories that left sense behind over a year ago.


No need to speculate. She has told us repeatedly. I know that won't stop you from launching off into a tendentious alternate explanation that, while it has no evidence in favor, satisfies both your prejudice against this president and your predilection for wild eyed conspiracy theories. But haters gotta hate.


Feel better now?


Ahhh... the "Whitewater scandal." Yet another fake right-wing scandal that fizzled so completely they had to settle for the completely unrelated (but at least to them very shocking and exciting) issue of a blow job in the Whitehouse. Why would people not forget a scandal that turned out to not be a scandal? Three seperate inquiries found that the Clintons did no wrong... other than losing their own money in a bad investment.


If you guys didn't have wishful thinking, you wouldn't generally think at all.
What a great line!!
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Old 08-09-2013, 07:04 AM
 
Location: Kentucky Bluegrass
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Yes.


Actually... no. They said that that the attacks began as a protest against the same video that Muslims were, at that time, protesting at several other locations around the Muslim world, to include Cairo just the day prior. They never said it "was just a group of protestors."


Because it is not a crime (or even a mild surprise) that the initial information was not as good as the results of later days, weeks and months of investigation. You may not know that, but Issa and his crew do... so they have to settle for hand-waving rather than your desperately wished for "charges."

I myself was in a party of US soldiers attacked in Istanbul by terrorists in 1979. One of us (Tom Mosely) was killed. Three of us testified that the blue Anadol sports car carried two shooters. Two of us testified that the black Anadol sports car had one shooter. One testified that the blue Anadol sports car had one shooter.

Which of us do you have the temerity to accuse of "lying?"

It's fascinating that you seem to have all the dots, but prove impossible or unwilling to connect them. All the things of which you whine (why no charges?) make perfect sense if (as sober people realize) the "scandal" is a phony. Since you refuse to accept that simple truth, you are condemned to weaving ever more idiotic conspiracy theories that left sense behind over a year ago.


No need to speculate. She has told us repeatedly. I know that won't stop you from launching off into a tendentious alternate explanation that, while it has no evidence in favor, satisfies both your prejudice against this president and your predilection for wild eyed conspiracy theories. But haters gotta hate.


Feel better now?


Ahhh... the "Whitewater scandal." Yet another fake right-wing scandal that fizzled so completely they had to settle for the completely unrelated (but at least to them very shocking and exciting) issue of a blow job in the Whitehouse. Why would people not forget a scandal that turned out to not be a scandal? Three seperate inquiries found that the Clintons did no wrong... other than losing their own money in a bad investment.


If you guys didn't have wishful thinking, you wouldn't generally think at all.
If Obama were a Right Wing President, then you'd be in my shoes, and talk about thinking? Sorry buddy, but we agree to disagree....

and yes, Oh God, I feel so much better now....lol
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Old 08-09-2013, 04:52 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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A few years ago the government was 2 times the size of the private sector. It has to be even bigger than that now as the Obama administration clearly wants to shut down small businesses. Hasn't the SBA shut down?
Government uses the tax code to encourage or discourage certain activities and by raising taxes and wanting to raise taxes even more it is clear that Obama to shut down small businesses. But remember there is also unintended consequences.

While Obama attacks small business he is also going to get Doctors and other highly paid professionals. Many doctors provide services through their own business. Obama may put them out of business. It will also no longer be seen as good to go to school to be a doctor because government will confiscate a large portion of their pay.
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Old 08-09-2013, 04:55 PM
 
Location: None of your business
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Phony?????????

Did Obama and Hillary stand up in front of all the American people and tell us, that the Bengazi attack was just a group of protestors?????????

Why hasn't the both of them bought up for charges???????

Why do you think Hillary seperated herself from Obama? She said what she was told to say, and your going to see more and more polilticans seperate themselves from him, especially those who want to get re-elected....Hillary will be running for President, do you actually believe she really got sick? No, Obama thru her under the bus and that did it for her. Just like Bush threw Powell under the bus...on the WMD issue.

And yanno what really makes me sick, every one has forgotten all about the scandal Hillary was involved in years ago, that was in fact true, and people are still in jail b/c of it?

and get a load of who is reporting this....CNN, not FOX, but CNN!!!!!

Obama also turned on the media, so, slowly but surely, they to will turn they're backs on him, and they created him?????

Yes, the media created Obama and without them he is NOTHING.
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