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Wake up and smell the coffee. Your viewpoint is so profoundly wrong, I can only pity you. A lot of people would appreciate an alternative to the more harmful health effects of alcohol. Oklahoma once thought legalizing casinos was of no value. But minds were changed and today few people want to close the casinos. They have brought many jobs and much entertainment to the state. Sooner or later, Oklahomans will realize that marijuana can do the same thing by legalizing it.
Think of what legalization could do to the fast food, and junk food industries alone, LOL! No seriously though, legalization will create much needed revenue for cash strapped states. Not to mention we can once again start exploring the options for use of industrial hemp.
I'll disagree with that given the stupid things I've seen high people do. For example, the neighbor who got high and then decided to do some target practice in his backyard. His desire to get high, in the privacy of his own home, ended up jeopardizing the entire neighborhood.
All you just done is show how ineffective the ban on marijuana is. I would sooner it be legalized so it can be brought under better control. It would be better if kids would be asked to show an ID before trying to buy some joints.
I never said that alcohol isn't a gateway drug, but weed and booze are gateway drugs for different reasons. Alcohol is a gateway drug because it affects your better judgement. It's more associated with former addicts relapsing when they're drinking. Weed is a gateway drug because it affects your better judgement, and it leads you to environments where illegal drugs are being used because it's illegal. I don't want my kids smoking weed because I think it's any more dangerous than drinking. My problem with it is that I don't want my kids in a dangerous environment dealing with sleazy drug dealers, or being exposed to hard drugs. My other problem with weed is that it very rarely is used responsibly. Most people that drink are not drunks whereas most people that smoke weed habitually get stoned every day (this is a statistical fact). The reason is because it's easier to get away with. going to work or school while you're blazed because people that don't smoke rarely notice. Try doing that while drinking and you'll find yourself unemployed real quick. Also, I'm so sick of hearing all this hippy nonsense about how weed can cure cancer, power the earth, end starvation etc. It's a recreational drug and nothing more. Medical marijuana is just an excuse to legally smoke.
Weed actually does help with medical issues.
There are a good number of studies with this. if you get CNN, I suggest watching Sanjay Gupta's Weed documentary. That shows what medical marijuana can do for the patients.
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For the last time, my friend isn't the one complaining - I am!!!!
And I guess you are incapable of answering a direct question (actually two, since we also asked if you've ever committed a crime), so I will leave the discussion at that. Thanks for once again proving you have no argument in this matter, and cannot even follow a simple conversation.
For those who are as confused as Finn, I will remind you that the topic of this thread is "should we legalize" - not "is weed bad for you" or "should people who get caught while it's illegal be prosecuted." Got it?
Why are you complaining about it and not your friend?
I have repeated my response to the question several times, weed should be legalized to make it safer not so people cannot do it and get it off scott free for breaking laws such as driving while under the influence. Similar to why moonshine is illegal for the most part. Bootleg products are dangerous. If you get a mass produced marijuana, it would be safer than going to your dealer and maybe getting less "pure" marijuana that may (or may not) have other things in it that you may not want.
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Smoking a doobie in the privacy of your own home, on your own time poses no threat, and causes no harm to anyone else! Driving 100 MPH on the highway on the other hand does pose a threat to others! Big difference.
It doesn't until your rights infringe on someone else's such as operating machinery high or this clip from Robot Chicken...
Yup. I'd love to be able to drive 100MPH on the highway but I don't because I don't want the ticket/jail time. Some people seem to think that if they want to do something against the law that the laws are just stupid and can be ignored. Sorry, you get the penalty and you KNOW that up front. It's not like someone lied to you.
There is no value to society in legalizing weed and many pitfalls. Just look at the issues we have with legalized alcohol. We don't need other legalized drugs. There's no value in legalizing them.
There is much value - saving money, saving lawmakers' time, relieving those in legitimate pain, and saving otherwise good people from having their lives ruined over a PLANT. Do you still fail to understand this??
And for the last time, something having "no value" (which is merely your opinion - and a false one at that) is not a good argument for making it illegal. I bet you do things that have no value, and would be the first to whine if I took those things away from you. But go ahead and keep being selfish, it doesn't matter anyway since it's rapidly becoming legal in more & more states. Oh well!
I'll disagree with that given the stupid things I've seen high people do. For example, the neighbor who got high and then decided to do some target practice in his backyard. His desire to get high, in the privacy of his own home, ended up jeopardizing the entire neighborhood.
Getting high does not enhance ones decision making skills.
Here's the rub. I don't need you getting high because I don't want to live in a society of high people. What value is your getting high to me? Why should I legalize your drugs just because you want to get high? How do I know you won't just do something stupid while high that won't endanger my family?
And I don't need prohibitionists to decide what is good for me or other grown adults.! Not all consumers of cannabis are irresponsible, lazy stoners. That is nothing but a stereotype, and a played out one at that! I guess you forgot some of the most influential people in the history of the world used it. Some of them actually the forefathers of this nation.
There are many more activities that are far more dangerous than smoking weed. Perhaps we should ban those as well!
There are a good number of studies with this. if you get CNN, I suggest watching Sanjay Gupta's Weed documentary. That shows what medical marijuana can do for the patients.
Why are you complaining about it and not your friend?
I have repeated my response to the question several times, weed should be legalized to make it safer not so people cannot do it and get it off scott free for breaking laws such as driving while under the influence. Similar to why moonshine is illegal for the most part. Bootleg products are dangerous. If you get a mass produced marijuana, it would be safer than going to your dealer and maybe getting less "pure" marijuana that may (or may not) have other things in it that you may not want.
It doesn't until your rights infringe on someone else's such as operating machinery high or this clip from Robot Chicken...
Weed should not be legalized. One issue is driving or operating machinery under the influence and the definition of being impaired by weed. Right now, it takes a blood test to determine just how high you are at a particular moment and whether or not you are high is speculation. With alcohol, we have breathalizers so we actually can tell who is impaired right on the spot before releasing them. With weed illegal, police can detain anyone who is in possession or drug dogs react on because of the smell. They can get them off the street. Legalizing drugs creates major headaches for the ability of the police to get people off the street who are in no condition to drive. Whether or not they are really impaired is subjective.
I'll disagree with that given the stupid things I've seen high people do. For example, the neighbor who got high and then decided to do some target practice in his backyard. His desire to get high, in the privacy of his own home, ended up jeopardizing the entire neighborhood.
Getting high does not enhance ones decision making skills.
Here's the rub. I don't need you getting high because I don't want to live in a society of high people. What value is your getting high to me? Why should I legalize your drugs just because you want to get high? How do I know you won't just do something stupid while high that won't endanger my family? How do I know that one bad decision made while high won't lead to 12 more?
Now if you want to talk about drugs that make you a more productive member of society that enhance decision making skills, I'm here...
I've seen just as much stupidity from people who weren't under the influence of any sort of drug as I have out of people who use marijuana. And I've seen far more stupidity out of people who were drunk than out of people who were high. Especially stupidity involving violence or dangerous activities.
Actually, marijuana can make people more productive. It has a medical use for those with ADD or ADHD and helps them to concentrate more fully on the task at hand. Many recreational users also find that they are able to concentrate on mundane tasks more effectively when they are high.
And I don't need prohibitionists to decide what is good for me or other grown adults.! Not all consumers of cannabis are irresponsible, lazy stoners. That is nothing but a stereotype, and a played out one at that! I guess you forgot some of the most influential people in the history of the world used it. Some of them actually the forefathers of this nation.
There are many more activities that are far more dangerous than smoking weed. Perhaps we should ban those as well!
The problem is we're deciding what is good for society. Laws are for the benefit of society not the individual. It is you who needs to convince me that legalizing weed is beneficial for society.
I'm a good and safe driver. It would be to my benefit to drive 100 MPH on the expressway but I don't get my way because the law isn't about me. It's about what's good for society and it's not good for society to let everyone drive 100 MPH so I can't either.
The problem is we're deciding what is good for society. Laws are for the benefit of society not the individual. It is you who needs to convince me that legalizing weed is beneficial for society.
I'm a good and safe driver. It would be to my benefit to drive 100 MPH on the expressway but I don't get my way because the law isn't about me. It's about what's good for society and it's not good for society to let everyone drive 100 MPH so I can't either.
So having a harsher sentence for marijuana possession than we do for domestic abuse, battery, or aggravated assault is good for society? Violence is good, drugs are bad. Gotcha.
Weed should not be legalized. One issue is driving or operating machinery under the influence and the definition of being impaired by weed. Right now, it takes a blood test to determine just how high you are at a particular moment and whether or not you are high is speculation. With alcohol, we have breathalizers so we actually can tell who is impaired right on the spot before releasing them. With weed illegal, police can detain anyone who is in possession or drug dogs react on because of the smell. They can get them off the street. Legalizing drugs creates major headaches for the ability of the police to get people off the street who are in no condition to drive. Whether or not they are really impaired is subjective.
And what about alcohol? Why don't you want to outlaw alcohol?
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No seriously though, legalization will create much needed revenue for cash strapped states. Not to mention we can once again start exploring the options for use of industrial hemp.
Yup. I'd love to be able to drive 100MPH on the highway but I don't because I don't want the ticket/jail time. Some people seem to think that if they want to do something against the law that the laws are just stupid and can be ignored. Sorry, you get the penalty and you KNOW that up front. It's not like someone lied to you.
I guess you forgot some of the most influential people in the history of the world used it. Some of them actually the forefathers of this nation.
