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The Irish, Italians, and Jews weren't thought to be white? Are you sure it didn't have something to do with those already here in poverty having to further compete with more new arrivals? I think you and segway are confusing race with ethnicity, they are not one in the same.
Yes, the Irish, the Italians and Jewish people were not identified as white by many white Americans. The reasons for the purpose of this discussion are irrelevant.
What matters is that when you say why would white people oppose or latinos when most of them are white, well I gave a historical reality that in fact many white Americans didn't identify and thus feared the immigration of the Irish and the Italians, etc.
During America's War for Independence a significant number of patriot soldiers and officers, many from Pennsylvania, could not speak English. It has been claimed Congress even considered making German the national official language, but scholars now say there is no evidence for this.
Your point is? " Considering" making German the national language is not the same as doing so. Probably why there is no evidence of it. This is a different time and a different era. There are "immigrants" who have here for decades and still can't speak English and even some citizens.
The Irish, Italians, and Jews weren't thought to be white? Are you sure it didn't have something to do with those already here in poverty having to further compete with more new arrivals? Are you claiming that because of their labor status they were considered, racially non-white? I think you and segway are confusing race with ethnicity, they are not one in the same, you look to much at the "white privilege" claim as the reason for your arguments.
Here she goes with the past again. She demonizes whites past, present and future any chance she gets. Especially, white conservative Americans. Another one I have on ignore because she apparently hates non-Hispanic whites unless they are self-hating looney liberals. She sees a white racist behind every bush.
"no country's citizens would welcome a demographic and cultural transition to their country via illegal immigration..."
Your point is not the point or topic of this thread. The question is if a non-english speaking citizen is intitled to serve on a jury.
Name one good reason why any non-english speaking American citizen should not serve on a jury?
And like many topics can spin off in another direction and has by many posters under this topic but of course you single me out only. What's the matter did I hit a nerve of truth with you again?
I already gave my reasons why non-English speakers should not serve on a jury. Did you miss those posts?
Yes, the Irish, the Italians and Jewish people were not identified as white by many white Americans. The reasons for the purpose of this discussion are irrelevant.
They were identified as white. You are labeling the Irish and Italians based on their labor classification and social constructs, the Jews by their classification from the White supremacists and Aryans.
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What matters is that when you say why would white people oppose or latinos when most of them are white, well I gave a historical reality that in fact many white Americans didn't identify and thus feared the immigration of the Irish and the Italians, etc.
Your historical reality is a false premise overall and looked at through the lens of White Privilege. Your playing with the "construction of whiteness".
Name one good reason why any non-english speaking American citizen should not serve on a jury?
If you actually read the link, the link in the OP already did just that, that is why the juror was dismissed.
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the prospective juror said on his jury questionnaire he didn't understand English well enough to write in English, and the judge told him an interpreter would be provided if the man was selected to serve on the jury.
However, the judge dismissed the man after he acknowledged he was not able to understand a large of the court proceedings.
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As it stands right now, the USA is actually the 2nd largest English-speaking country in the world behind India, and will actually drop to 3rd place being that so many people in China are learning English.
They were identified as white. You are labeling the Irish and Italians based on their labor classification and social constructs, the Jews by their classification from the White supremacists and Aryans.
Your historical reality is a false premise overall and looked at through the lens of White Privilege. Your playing with the "construction of whiteness".
The Irish were not always considered white; This is fairly well known to anyone that has graduated HS. (not attacking you, just saying)
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Are you sure it didn't have something to do with those already here in poverty having to further compete with more new arrivals? I think you and segway are confusing race with ethnicity, they are not one in the same.
You are labeling the Irish and Italians based on their labor classification and social constructs, the Jews by their classification from the White supremacists and Aryans. 
