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Obama ran against Bush's policies on the security state. His supporters attached so much vehement emotion against Bush's policies. They chanted in unison Obama's slogans and sometimes fainted.
When Obama finally won he....expanded Bush's security state, with negligible and irrelevant opposition from the people that supposedly hated those policies.
Where is the outage from you?
It is wrong for Bush to have a security state, but okay for Obama to have a bigger security state after running against it?
I think the biggest problem that America faces are people that refuse to hold their own politicians accountable. Please help America and look in the mirror. If you truly support "President" Obama, then you agree with Bush on the majority of policies and disagree with "Candidate" Obama.
Candidate and President Obama are 2 different people, because people aren't looking in the mirror they are sheep for their party/politician and it happens in both parties.
More than anything people hate to admit they were hoodwinked and that includes the media so they will bend over backwards to say things or not say anything at all to keep the lie going because they are afraid of looking like fools.
I wonder if all this braying would be taking place if George W. Bush were President? The irony is his administration created the security state, one which our current Pres. did not did mantle.
If he did try and dismantle it, the outcry would be deafening from conservatives.
The reality is your continual shrieking does little to advance anything as most thinking people have tuned out the constant din of doomsday from the right. After all, Obamacare will lead to the end of the U.S..
Wow, didn't take long for the cry babies to appear, did it?
This discussion was good until this guy showed up.
Sorry, but I don't buy that Obama would have rolled the security state back if it wasn't for conservatives. Obama has never been afraid to unpopular and divisive things and the reason why he hasn't done anything to roll back the security is because he doesn't want to.
I am sick of progressives always blaming conservatives, libertarians, moderates, and old school liberals for Obama's failures and broken promises. Face it. The man is an amoral snake and con man and the only thing good I can say is that he is relatively incompetent and that has actually limited the damage he is able to do.
Face it, your extreme partisanship has created an unhealthily level of hatred directed against the President that is simply not grounded in reality.
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but compared to Bush, well, he is better than Bush in almost every regard, but is that an accomplishment? No, it isn't. It would be hard to be worse than the previous administration. The sad reality is how few conservatives have any concept whatsoever of the legacy of the neocons, one of them being the security state we see today. They have been trained to blame this on Obama, who simply is allowing the apparatus to remain running and not doing a thing to lessen its influence. So he is failing there as well, but conservatives cannot blame him for this.
Because if he did move to lessen its influence, he would be attacked for it by conservatives. You folks are your own worst enemy. You need to learn how to discern real threats from manufactured ones. For you folks, every single action this man takes is makes you hyperventilate with rage. It's quite sad. No matter what he does, you will attack him for it. It is all you know how to do, so don't attack him for leaving things in place that someone you supported has created and is responsible for.
More than anything people hate to admit they were hoodwinked and that includes the media so they will bend over backwards to say things or not say anything at all to keep the lie going because they are afraid of looking like fools.
And there you have it. Obamas supporters are so worshipful of him, they will kill themselves rather than admit be is no better, maybe even worse, than the opposing side.
Face it, your extreme partisanship has created an unhealthily level of hatred directed against the President that is simply not grounded in reality.
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but compared to Bush, well, he is better than Bush in almost every regard, but is that an accomplishment? No, it isn't. It would be hard to be worse than the previous administration. The sad reality is how few conservatives have any concept whatsoever of the legacy of the neocons, one of them being the security state we see today. They have been trained to blame this on Obama, who simply is allowing the apparatus to remain running and not doing a thing to lessen its influence. So he is failing there as well, but conservatives cannot blame him for this.
Because if he did move to lessen its influence, he would be attacked for it by conservatives. You folks are your own worst enemy. You need to learn how to discern real threats from manufactured ones. For you folks, every single action this man takes is makes you hyperventilate with rage. It's quite sad. No matter what he does, you will attack him for it. It is all you know how to do, so don't attack him for leaving things in place that someone you supported has created and is responsible for.
No one HATES Obama- just as with Bush- America is very disappointed that the electoral system is so twisted out of shape that pin heads are elected to the highest office. There is nothing to hate about Obama...He is just a little guy that is not that smart who happens to be sitting in the big chair...I compare it to owning a powerful race car...and you need a driver that is skilled to compete. For some reason there are no drivers available on the ballot...So people have to settle for a 12 year old boy at the wheel.
Intelligent people do not blame Obama. He simply is not smart or sinister enough to blame for anything..what you should be blaming is a system that restricts the talented and intelligent from assuming public office.
What Obama is - is simple. He has the natural qualification of being a pretty good sports coach for a high school football team....For some reason a committee of failed power mongering white guys use him as a front man- and Obama's ego was more than willing to play the part of the big boss...which he is not.
During the rise of the security state during the Bush era, someone smartly stated that once the tools are in the Executive Office toolbox, no one wants to take them out of the toolbox and put them back. I never once thought for a second that Obama would do anything to roll back the security state, because if he had, conservatives would have gone apoplectic. Could you imagine Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, etc. and the theories on why he is doing such a thing?Secret plot to destroy USA from within.
The truth is, we have the neoconservatives to thank for the "new normal", and we have conservatives to thank that things remain this way.
Lol, so let me get this straight Obama is going along with the bush programs because he's worried about what the republicans would think about him? Even though he said he wouldn't. That didn't stop him from jamming down are throats Obamacare, or circumventing congress and the constitution to give amnesty to children of illegas. Liberals are a pathetic bunch. Classic sheep syndrome, Obama is just as bad or even worse than Bush. Not only has he continued the programs, he's expanded them.
Advocating for smaller, constitutionally limited government, that would require lower taxes and stimulate the economy by allowing people to keep more of the hard earned dollars, and desiring government accountability and transparency is reason for the president to raise a Gestapo and turn them loose on people who have such reasonable aims?
The president is anti-1st Amendment?
Well, let's see using recent actions. IRS investigating conservative groups, denying tax exempt status only because they disagree with liberal policies. 2500 (that we know of) incidents of spying on americans inside the U.S., supporters of his eminence attacking anyone who dares speak ill of his decrees and pontifications need I continue?
I forgot to add that "Mr. Transparency" has been no such thing until forced into a corner by the likes of Ed Snowden etc.
"Face it, your extreme partisanship has created an unhealthily level of hatred directed against the President that is simply not grounded in reality.
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but compared to Bush, well, he is better than Bush in almost every regard, but is that an accomplishment? No, it isn't. It would be hard to be worse than the previous administration. The sad reality is how few conservatives have any concept whatsoever of the legacy of the neocons, one of them being the security state we see today. They have been trained to blame this on Obama, who simply is allowing the apparatus to remain running and not doing a thing to lessen its influence. So he is failing there as well, but conservatives cannot blame him for this.
Because if he did move to lessen its influence, he would be attacked for it by conservatives. You folks are your own worst enemy. You need to learn how to discern real threats from manufactured ones. For you folks, every single action this man takes is makes you hyperventilate with rage. It's quite sad. No matter what he does, you will attack him for it. It is all you know how to do, so don't attack him for leaving things in place that someone you supported has created and is responsible for."
"......one of them being the security state we see today."
Last check the underwear bomber set off his bomb...it was a dud
Oh, and the times square bomber set off his bomb....it was a dud
Ft hood was possible because of political correctness
Kentucky army recruiter killed by terrorist
then there was Benghazi....at our embassy on American soil
Boston occurred despite warnings by Russia, and despite all the spying NSA is doing on its citizens, emails and phone calls be dammed when it comes to politically correct FBI directed by the DOJ/Obama.
"It would be hard to be worse than the previous administration."
the DOJ/holder lies to a judge in order to get a warrant for a reporter after he went judge shopp9ing and was denied by two judges.....an earmark of a socio commie whatever you want to call it administration. Imagine,the head of the DOJ lies to a judge without consequence!!!!!!!!! Try it some time and see what happens to you. Only in a communist country headed by an anarchist could Holder get away unscathed.
Benghazi was a political coverup where lives were sacrified to further a political agenda...."but what does it matter" said the sec of state, who warned of a 3am call during her presidential campaign...well she got the call and her responae was....."but what does it matter". All the while Obama pushed the video weeks later, speaking to the UN.
GWB chose not to spend half a billion $$ on Solyndra because it was determined to be a poor risk. O had no qualms spending half a billion $$$ taxpayer dollars on that failed venture.
Obama snickered when asked where were the shovel ready jobs when none appeared.
Obama tells us "OBL is dead and AQ is on the run" then the media ordained great orator and liar pretends he was only referring to the other AQ and not 'that' AQ.
Obama wins an election with the help of the IRS
Obama is awarded a transparency award by OMB Watch in a private meeting
Obama lied about the cost of obamacare which was a critical criteria for approval.
Embarassed enough by the media created president? GWB at least saved millions of people in Africa with his aids campaign. Obama hasn't saved anyone and you could argue he has killed more people in other countries than GWB.
"Face it, your extreme partisanship has created an unhealthily level of hatred directed against the President that is simply not grounded in reality.
Pay attention.....it is his policies we detest along with his unethical behavior.
Obama has shown no leadership, Harry Reid has blocked discussion of proposals and any opposition by the Dems is considered racist and of no value. Obama exists only because the media has become his propaganda machine through inbreeding with his staff.
There is no compromise with people wanting to turn America into a socialist regime controlled by the government. Before this regime came to power by treachery it was possible to compromise. This is not business as usual and any compromise tightens the noose on a suffocating America by Obama directed by his socialist handlers.
Face it, your extreme partisanship has created an unhealthily level of hatred directed against the President that is simply not grounded in reality.
What partisanship?! I despised Bush and I supported Obama during 2008 because I believed McCain would be worse and I still believe that. If I do have any "hatred" (I would more classify it as "disdain") it is because I was actually stupid enough to buy his "Hope and Change" bulls--t in 2008, but Hope and Change became "S--t, well, Bush did it too".
I also opened with, "That is the reason to be concerned. Even if you trusted Bush or if you trust Obama with that level of power; remember that the next guy might not be so ethical and he (or she) will have the tools of dictatorship already at his disposal." Notice how I purposely tried to keep it as non-partisan as possible. Notice how I specifically mentioned Bush as well as Obama. Notice how I purposely made reference to a possible future President how might use the tools at his disposal to things unbecoming of a liberal democracy or maybe even become a dictator.
You have made this more about Obama than I have.
I'm not a huge fan of Obama, but compared to Bush, well, he is better than Bush in almost every regard, but is that an accomplishment? No, it isn't. It would be hard to be worse than the previous administration. The sad reality is how few conservatives have any concept whatsoever of the legacy of the neocons, one of them being the security state we see today. They have been trained to blame this on Obama, who simply is allowing the apparatus to remain running and not doing a thing to lessen its influence. So he is failing there as well, but conservatives cannot blame him for this.
The truth is the Obama would rather spend his political capital on things like sending the IRS to investigate his political opponents or get the FBI involved in local homicide investigation. Please understand that Obama doesn't do things like end The War on Drugs (he doesn't have to end it, just get the DEA and FBI to stop raiding medicinal marijuana operations in states that have legalized medical marijuana like he promised he would before the election) or curtail the security state because he does not want to and there is nothing in it for him.
Also, quit implying I am conservative. I'm a libertarian. Also, I was a liberal before I became a libertarian. I am not some hardcore right-winger. On this very forum I have complained about the conditions in American prisons, I have (mostly) defended immigration (yes, including Mexicans), I have supported abortion rights, I have criticized the death penalty, and this isn't the first time I have criticized the "Freest Country On Earth" adopting the characteristics of Putin's Russia.
Because if he did move to lessen its influence, he would be attacked for it by conservatives. You folks are your own worst enemy. You need to learn how to discern real threats from manufactured ones. For you folks, every single action this man takes is makes you hyperventilate with rage. It's quite sad. No matter what he does, you will attack him for it. It is all you know how to do, so don't attack him for leaving things in place that someone you supported has created and is responsible for.
Actually Bush invoked actual anger in me. Obama just makes me shake my head that people still buy his snake oil. Bush came off as a chickenhawk with a war boner that he just needed to stick into something. Barrack Obama just represents everything I hold in contempt in regards to politicians. The lack of accomplishments outside of government, the smugness, the triumph of style of substance, the willingness to play groups off of each other, and telling more lies than cheating spouse.
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