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Old 08-16-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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I swear, Americans who are afraid of Americans are such a weird bunch.

David Bowie (feat Nine Inch Nails) - I'm Afraid Of Americans - YouTube
Tell da gubamint dat
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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It's so weird all these law enforcement types running about in their fancy cars...makes you wonder who is doing the real work- who is growing food and feeding this nation involved in all this theater? So many politicians - so many cops - so many soldiers - so many bureaucrats. How long can a nation like this sustain when everyone is playing some game.....Who the hell is working? Oh - I forgot - the illegals are doing all the real work.
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:29 PM
 
Location: SoCal/PHX/HHI
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Oh those fancy cars, what ever will we do!?!?
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Old 08-16-2013, 10:37 PM
 
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During the rise of the security state during the Bush era, someone smartly stated that once the tools are in the Executive Office toolbox, no one wants to take them out of the toolbox and put them back. I never once thought for a second that Obama would do anything to roll back the security state, because if he had, conservatives would have gone apoplectic. Could you imagine Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, FOX News, etc. and the theories on why he is doing such a thing? Secret plot to destroy USA from within.

The truth is, we have the neoconservatives to thank for the "new normal", and we have conservatives to thank that things remain this way.
Sorry, but I don't buy that Obama would have rolled the security state back if it wasn't for conservatives. Obama has never been afraid to unpopular and divisive things and the reason why he hasn't done anything to roll back the security is because he doesn't want to.

I am sick of progressives always blaming conservatives, libertarians, moderates, and old school liberals for Obama's failures and broken promises. Face it. The man is an amoral snake and con man and the only thing good I can say is that he is relatively incompetent and that has actually limited the damage he is able to do.
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Old 08-17-2013, 01:03 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Tell da gubamint dat
You mean the Americans that we elect and employ to run our government?
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:08 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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How did it come about that the powers that be allowed America to become so morally degraded that they need super powerful law enforcement - not to mention one of the highest rates of incarceration on the planet? Some one some where in the last fifty years ignored the public and neglected to provide satisfactory and responsible political rule. The other thing is - why were gangs allowed thrive and grow in poor neighborhoods...it seems that political power mongers have not been serving or taking care of the people- Now things are almost out of hand and the only solution to maintaining what is left of order is through sheer brute force.
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Old 08-17-2013, 05:21 AM
 
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I think you need to look in the mirror first.


Obama ran against Bush's policies on the security state. His supporters attached so much vehement emotion against Bush's policies. They chanted in unison Obama's slogans and sometimes fainted.

When Obama finally won he....expanded Bush's security state, with negligible and irrelevant opposition from the people that supposedly hated those policies.

Where is the outage from you?

It is wrong for Bush to have a security state, but okay for Obama to have a bigger security state after running against it?

I think the biggest problem that America faces are people that refuse to hold their own politicians accountable. Please help America and look in the mirror. If you truly support "President" Obama, then you agree with Bush on the majority of policies and disagree with "Candidate" Obama.

Candidate and President Obama are 2 different people, because people aren't looking in the mirror they are sheep for their party/politician and it happens in both parties.




I agree with this post.

Some have become brave enough to voice that they now see something that they missed previously.
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Old 08-17-2013, 06:07 AM
 
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It's so weird all these law enforcement types running about in their fancy cars...makes you wonder who is doing the real work-
Typical conservative, trashing the work of police - blue collar middle class workers that keep us safe, you disgust me. Oh wait! You are liberal? Oh great point!!!

Don't you also hate how Bush had lobbyists in the White House? Lobbyists in the White House are wrong period, even if they are on my team, that is why I am voting for Obama, no lobbyists in the White House Period! Oh wait, what, Obama has more lobbyists in the White House than Bush did? Well it is okay, he issued them waivers so the lobbyists aren't "lobbyists" anymore, plus we need people in there to fight for our causes like evil cops with fancy cars.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Fort Myers Fl
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How did it come about that the powers that be allowed America to become so morally degraded that they need super powerful law enforcement - not to mention one of the highest rates of incarceration on the planet? Some one some where in the last fifty years ignored the public and neglected to provide satisfactory and responsible political rule. The other thing is - why were gangs allowed thrive and grow in poor neighborhoods...it seems that political power mongers have not been serving or taking care of the people- Now things are almost out of hand and the only solution to maintaining what is left of order is through sheer brute force.
I am reading a book right now, The Coming of The Third Reich. Are you the author?

Only ignorant people don't see whats happening today in America.
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Old 08-17-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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O is like every other dictator in Africa who creates a militia for purposes of killing his rivals.
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