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Old 08-26-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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In other words, it's Chris Lane's fault he got murdered. He should have had a gun in his pocket (in addition to eyes in the back of his head, obviously).

Which actually raises a serious question for "gun-rights" proponents: should foreign visitors be allowed to carry concealed weapons? If not, isn't it then inherently unsafe for them to visit the US?
Would that kind of be like how people who get killed by drunk drivers should have worn seat belts or people who die in fires should have smoke detectors?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:47 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I don't want any guns in civilian society, it is just outdated. With a total ban and strict execution of such law, both armed crimes and defenses would become obsolete...
Suggesting people should get armed just because there are criminals out there, is confusing cause and effect... It is like deliberately setting free zillions of pythons and then telling people to carry huge knives with them as they might get attacked by pythons ^^
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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I don't want any guns in civilian society, it is just outdated. With a total ban and strict execution of such law, both armed crimes and defenses would become obsolete...
Suggesting people should get armed just because there are criminals out there, is confusing cause and effect...

Except criminals don't give a s*** about the laws, and will get them anyway. Doing away with the 2nd Amendment will not stop criminals from obtaining guns. Not to mention you're talking about making a large segment of the population who are otherwise law abiding citizens. I have to tell you, I know a few gun owners who are responsible, and law abiding citizens, but have the attitude that if the government does enact such a ban, and tries to pull a gun grab, their response is they can have the guns back.... 1 bullet at a time. Do you really want to go there?
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Old 08-26-2013, 12:57 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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I don't want any guns in civilian society, it is just outdated. With a total ban and strict execution of such law, both armed crimes and defenses would become obsolete...
Suggesting people should get armed just because there are criminals out there, is confusing cause and effect... It is like deliberately setting free zillions of pythons and then telling people to carry huge knives with them as they might get attacked by pythons ^^

Your comment makes complete sense because there's no weapon other than a gun that a criminal could possibly use.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:03 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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How do foreigners acquire a CC permit?

According to Oklahoma law, only citizens of the US are allowed CC while different states and cities have their own laws regarding cc, but I see some gray matter there in their wording.

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There we go. Maybe that Australian politician wasn't so far off when he advised Australians to avoid visiting the U.S.

Since more guns = less crime, it naturally follows that the failure to arm oneself leads to an increased risk of being a crime victim. By failing to allow tourists and other foreign visitors to arm themselves against the possibility of crime, we are effectively placing them in excessive danger -- just like American visitors to Mexico who aren't allowed to carry weapons there (for which reason many American gun owners refuse to set foot in Mexico).

Now here come further accusations of being a hysterical liberal fanatic just for pointing out the screamingly obvious.

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Old 08-26-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Massachusetts
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You tell me. In the world according to Larry Pratt, is it or is it not every citizen's responsibility to arm him- or herself against the possibility of being attacked? And if an unarmed person is attacked, is it or is it not reasonable to speculate that that person might not have been attacked if he or she had been armed?

Remember, the premise of this thread is "more guns, less crime."

People are allowed to have opinions and his may be that everyone should be armed. Trying to argue that having a gun in a time of need isn't better than not having one is a fool's errand.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:07 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Except criminals don't give a s*** about the laws, and will get them anyway. Doing away with the 2nd Amendment will not stop criminals from obtaining guns. Not to mention you're talking about making a large segment of the population who are otherwise law abiding citizens. I have to tell you, I know a few gun owners who are responsible, and law abiding citizens, but have the attitude that if the government does enact such a ban, and tries to pull a gun grab, their response is they can have the guns back.... 1 bullet at a time. Do you really want to go there?
In the long run I do think that criminals would run out of guns.

There would also be an elegant way around the second amendment: people may keep their guns, but the possession of ammunition could be outlawed and severely punished, ammunition is not mentioned in the amendment

Another way would be to declare so many types of buildings and spaces weapon-free zones that there is no point in running around with guns anymore.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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I don't want any guns in civilian society, it is just outdated. With a total ban and strict execution of such law, both armed crimes and defenses would become obsolete...
Suggesting people should get armed just because there are criminals out there, is confusing cause and effect... It is like deliberately setting free zillions of pythons and then telling people to carry huge knives with them as they might get attacked by pythons ^^
Fortunately, what *you* want won't happen. What kind of education about our Constitution did you miss?

You read the looniest things on c-d from our LWNJ posters.
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Old 08-26-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: texas
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Violent crimes have been decreasing for decades and gun ownership has increased. Perfect logic.

My rooster crows in the morning and the sun rises...Chickens make the sun come up.
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